@QBit

Boring Dells, yawn, Raspberry Pi is cool.

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Cloanto does not provide updated SDK, nor a updated Intuition library

What filesystem does Cloanto use?

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CaffeineOS is illigal piracy,
ApploOS based on AROS is the offical open & none piracy OS (AROS 68K distro).

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@NutsAboutAmiga

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CaffeineOS is illigal piracy,

I think you mixed this with CoffinOS for Vampire which is a mashup of commercial parts.
CaffeinOS is based on AROS.

But then again AmigaOS from Hyperion is illegal according to previous developer (Jörg Strohmeyer) so I'm sure it's up to the conscience of the users in the first place...

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@Develin

I thought Caffeine was based on OS3.9? Not a problem for me as I own a OS3.9 CD-Rom!

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@BigD

Unless something have changed lately it was based of AROS 68k and using Magellan-II as a WB-replacement since Wanderer is not very user friendly compared to WB.
You can see it rather quickly on the intuition window gadgets it it's AOS or not unless it's using a well done theme.

@Develin

What happens when you switch it to Workbench mode then? What is that based on?

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@BigD

Magellan in WB-Replacement mode replaces the whole Workbench or in this case Wanderer.
First thing I install on all my Amigas since it's so much more powerful in all regards than Workbench and works multithreaded without any patches.

Depending on how it's installed on the machine you could use the normal mode by holding down left shift (IIRC). but that requires that you use the "LoadDB" or what it's called.

@Develin

The CaffeineOS Storm is a OS3.9 / Dopus magellan based setup, with loads of games and apps preinstalled. Many of these commercial titles, so I would say piracy. Latest version is 921
I did use that to get an easy way to set up my PiStorm32 lite. I have a plan to make a "clean" version for myself so that all software left will be what I already legally own.

I think that AROS Caffeine is a different distribution.

@NutsAboutAmiga

I have multiple AmigaOS 3.x licenses and one AmigaOS 4.1 FE license.

I purchased Amiga Forever 2010 and, 2016, Hyperion's AmigaOS 4.1 FE, AmigaOS 3.14, and AmigaOS 3.2 licenses.

Amiga Forever 2016 includes AmigaOS 4.1 FE bundle.

Miami TCP/IP stack can be downloaded from http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/Miami32b2-main.

NetSurf 68K can be downloaded from http://aminet.net/package/comm/www/netsurf_os3

I purchased AmigaOS 4.1 FE without actual PowerPC hardware. My only PowerPC-based machine is a color laser printer from Japan. LOL

I welcome future AmigaOS 3.3 with RTG and TCP/IP stack that supports ARM-based PiStorm-Emu68's RTG.

I have no use for Amiga's commercial 3D software despite some of them appearing on Amiga cover CDs that I owned e.g. Cinema4D. I have Blender 3.4 on RTX ADA accelerated PC.

I have my Deluxe Music 2, Music X, and Bars-n-Pipes licenses. LOL

Should I waste time digging out my Amiga app licenses?

http://www.ggsdata.se/index.php?page=adobe/forever2016.php
Amiga Forever 2016's "Amiga OS 3.X" environment has Directory Opus 5.5 license.

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: @Hammer Cloanto does not provide updated SDK, nor a updated Intuition library What filesystem does Cloanto use?

https://www.amigaforever.com/kb/16-125

The current 3.X ROM (45.066) builds on the original 40.068 ROM components, featuring the following improvements:

Official Amiga patches (e.g. large disk support)
scsi.device and exec.library updates by Alexander Benedictov, Chris Hodges, Heinz Wrobel, Jeff Weeks and Toni Wilen
expansion.library fixes and 68060 patches by Jeff Weeks
Ranger memory detection routine replacement by Henryk Richter
FastFileSystem fixes by Etienne Vogt
mathieeesingbas.library fixes by Harry "Piru" Sintonen
Fix to floppy drive issue affecting some systems in version 45.061


https://www.amigaforever.com/kb/16-120
Support for Disks Larger than 4 GB
The installer script included on Amiga Forever Classic Support media was improved to support installation to hard disks larger than 4 GB regardless of the Installer, FastFileSystem and ROM version.

Full runtime support for disks larger than 4 GB requires several elements, of which FastFileSystem 45.9 and Installer 44.10 are included in the Workbench 3.1 distribution, whereas lower-level components such as scsi.device come from a ROM update, such as the 3.X ROM (supported, but not included).


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AmigaOS 3.1.4's Intuition updates for Fast RAM without using 3rd party Fast RAM-related patches.

I still have my licensed AmigaOS 3.2.x installation for TF1260.

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@amyren

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amyren wrote: @Develin The CaffeineOS Storm is a OS3.9 / Dopus magellan based setup, with loads of games and apps preinstalled. Many of these commercial titles, so I would say piracy. Latest version is 921 I did use that to get an easy way to set up my PiStorm32 lite. I have a plan to make a "clean" version for myself so that all software left will be what I already legally own. I think that AROS Caffeine is a different distribution.

Directory Opus 5 open source can be downloaded from https://sourceforge.net/projects/dopus5allamigas/


Horny Midi can be downloaded from
https://aminet.net/package/mus/midi/horny-68k
https://aminet.net/package/mus/midi/horny-base
The keyfile is FREE, just send a mail to "Timo (at) inutilis com".

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@Hammer

It was not Dopus 5 I was thinking about. (v5.91 is available on aminet as well, although the version included is 5.82)

I doubt that all these titles are free: FinalWriter97, Photogenics 5, CandyFactoryPro, PageStream4, FinalCalc, Scala MM400, CygnusEd Pro, LightWave, MiamiDX, Genesis, Napalm, Quake2, FeebleFiles, T-Zero, Simon the Sorcerer, WormsDC, Lemmings, The Settlers, CannonFodder, Chaos Engine, and OS3.9 as well.
There are many more included games and apps pre-set up in there.
Workbench is version 45.3, kickstart 45.57, so it is AmigaOS3.9 which also is not free.

@amyren

Yeah, the piracy element is not ideal. I would feel sorry for Deron Kazmaier of PageStream 4 fame but he makes it very hard to purchase PageStream these days and he is basically living off the grid! I've made do with PageStream 3.0 up to now for that reason! PageStream 5 never became stable! I've got a lot of the other software but the Bitmap Brothers, Sensible Software and Adventure Soft should really be compensated for their software's inclusion!

However, you can't buy OS3.9 anymore and H&P simply don't care now!

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@amyren

My bad then, I have only seen the one using AROS.
I really don't like these ready made package myself (with or without pirated content).

@Develin

There are upsides and downsides to it. The bad side is of course that thay have put all this commercial stuff into it. What is temping about this package is that the stuff many people have a hard time figuring out how to set up is already working in this package. Internet is preconfigured so it will work out of the box with devices like the Plipbox or supported PCMCIA cards. And Picasso96 is configured with the correct drivers for the Rpi HDMI output. And it have this online updater which also gets the Emu68 side updated.
But until AmiKit for pistorm is available, this is as far as I know the only ready-to-run package out there.

@BigD
Perhaps you can reach Deron Kazmaier via the pagestream forum? I notice he have been active there earlier this month.

@amyren

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I doubt that all these titles are free: FinalWriter97, Photogenics 5, CandyFactoryPro, PageStream4, FinalCalc, Scala MM400, CygnusEd Pro, LightWave, MiamiDX, Genesis, Napalm, Quake2, FeebleFiles, T-Zero, Simon the Sorcerer, WormsDC, Lemmings, The Settlers, CannonFodder, Chaos Engine, and OS3.9 as well. There are many more included games and apps pre-set up in there. Workbench is version 45.3, kickstart 45.57, so it is AmigaOS3.9 which also is not free.

I'll clean out unlicensed software and make space for my music library and install my licensed Amiga software e.g. Deluxe Music 2, Bars-n-Pipes, and SuperJam.

Final Writer 97, I don't use it despite I have Final Write 4 Lite from Amiga Format Disk 82a March 1996. This was the year when sold my Amiga 3000 to a small Australian production company.

I have purchased licenses for various MS Office 2003 to 2019. Libre Office has been installed on all my PCs.

During primary school, I used the bundled Kind Words 2. Kind Words 3 giveaway was included in Amiga Computing in April 1994 which I then switched to Kind Words 3.
Fully functional Wordworth AFC included in Amiga Format Issue 226 in 1995.
Fully functional The Publisher v1 included in Amiga Computing Issue 70 February 1994.

Ami Pro was loaded on our Windows 3.x 386DX PC.

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PhotoGenics 5, I don't use it.

I have a valid license for recent CorelDraw on Windows.
I have licenses for Personal Paint, Spectra Color, PhotoGenics 1.2a, and Turbo Print 2 on Amiga. I didn't use PhotoGenics 1.2a.

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CandyFactoryPro, I don't use it.

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FinalCalc, I don't use it. I have licenses for recent Quicken and MS Excel 2019.
Libre Office 7.5 has been installed on all my PCs.

Lotus 123 was installed on Windows 3.x 386DX PC.
Fully functional Maxiplan 4 included in Amiga Computing Issue 58 March 1993.

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Scala MM400, I don't use it. I use OBS (Open Broadcaster Software), Pinnacle Studio 25, and Blender 3.4 video editor on Windows.

Scala 500 was included with CU Amiga's Disk 74 and I'm licensed for Scala 500.
Scala MM300 is included in Amiga CU 1998 cover CD.

My Amiga 3000 has Amiga Vision, CanDo Jr (from Amiga Format July 1992), CanDo 2.0 (from Amiga Computing Issue 82 January 1995).

The Personal Computer World cover disc (August 1997) has a Scala MM200 demo for the PC.
Scala MM200 (with 16-bit installer) was included with Creative Lab's NVIDIA TNT video card.
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CygnusEd Pro, I don't use it. I use a basic Notepad or Visual Studio on Windows. CLI script editing doesn't need CygnusEd Pro.

LightWave, only for 68k benchmark. I use Blender 3.4 / Unreal Engine 5 on Windows.
LightWave 5 is obsolete.

MiamiDX, https://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/MiamiDx10cmain

Genesis, missing in CoffeineOS 921. CoffeineOS 921 has Miami and Roadie TCP/ IP stacks.
I have a license for AmigaOS 4.1 FE that includes Roadshow TCP/IP stack.
Unrestricted AmiTCP from AmigaOS 3.9 is missing in CoffeineOS 921.

Napalm, played a level and not my cup of tea. I'm mostly an RPG gamer. I never completed C&C Red Alert. I played WarCraft and StarCraft 1 and 2. Weak character design = dump game.

Quake 2, I have a valid license e.g. Quake II RTX and Quake II via Valve's Stream.

FeebleFiles, I'm not interested and I dislike the artwork.

T-Zero is interesting and part of my to-do list.

Simon the Sorcerer is boring, but the artwork is okay. Played for about 15 minutes before quitting.

WormsDC, I'm licensed via PC' Windows GoG versions i.e. Worms United, Worms 2, Worms Fort, Worms World Party Remastered, Worms WMD, and Worms Arms Armageddon. I like British comedy and cute artwork.

Lemmings, I'm licensed.

The Settlers, I'm licensed via GoG PC's Settlers II 10th Anniversary and Settlers III Ultimate Collection, and Steam's Settlers 7.


Cannon Fodder, I'm licensed via PC's GoG. I like British comedy. This needs a 4K remake.
Cannon Fodder 2 is available from GoG.


Chaos Engine, I played two levels before abandoning it. I prefer Grind / Dread on the Amiga. During the 1993 era, it was Doom. I have Doom licenses via the GoG store's "Doom 64"(3D hardware accelerated) and Steam's Doom 3, Doom 2016, and Doom Eternal.
Chaos Engine's 16-color artwork would have worked with Grind / Dread's Doom-based 3D engine.

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CoffeineOS is my temporary distro for the Amiga internet connection to verify the wifi hardware connection.

I plan to reconstruct my AmigaOS 3.2 (licensed) install with my large pile of Amiga pro apps from three Amiga magazines i.e. Amiga Format, CU Amiga, and Amiga Computing that would be scaled up from my Amiga 3000's 120 MB HDD installation. 64 GB micro-SD is set aside for the purpose. I need to figure out Amiga TCP/IP and wifi setup since my AmigaOS knowledge is frozen to the pre-AmigaOS 3.5 and I relied on AmigaForever's pre-made packages.

I prefer the entire AmigaOS 4.1 FE to be backported into AmigaOS 68K.

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Just change the name to Amiga Global Analiance and you suddenly have this huge market

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@nikosidis

The sad part is that’s it’s not actually a joke.

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