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Hammer 
Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 21-Jul-2023 4:41:06
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@eliyahu

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@BigD

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Now I don't like benchmarks but heck we need some sort of indication that it will be worth the increase in RRP following the delays, inflation and redesign etc! I haven't even seen the Parachute "isolate, trap and emulate" FPU implementation in action! Has anyone got a good example? Maybe a Sam 460LE head to head video?

There are a couple of YouTube videos that show the A1222 in action. There's my demonstration at AmiWest 2021 (link) and even one from six years ago from Entwickler-X (link). My guide has plenty of descriptions of what the A1222 is like. I'm sure you can find plenty of information on the system if you look.

-- eliyahu

There are differences between e500v1 and A1222's e500v2.

e500v2 supports DPESFP (double-precision embedded scalar floating point) while e500v1 doesn't support DPESFP.

From https://www.nxp.com/products/processors-and-microcontrollers/power-architecture/qoriq-communication-processors/p-series/qoriq-p1022-and-p1013-dual-and-single-core-communications-processors:P1022
NXP's P1022 diagram clearly shows e500v2 CPU cores while your diagram shows e500 CPU.
Update your P1022 diagram.

P1022 has 87 general-purpose signals.........interesting...

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 21-Jul-2023 6:27:47
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So 68k trolls I want to give 68k a chance.
I want nothing special just something that was standard 25 years ago.
Show Me where can I buy 68k Amiga computer with:
- 68k cpu with speed at least 90 Pentium
- real 68k cpu no emulators
- 68k cpu only no other cpu
- working compatible MMU
- working compatible FPU
- 2D at least as fast as S3 PCI cards
- 3D at least as fast as VooDoo 1
Whole 68k Amiga computer Under 1500 Euro.
Show where can I buy such thing or accept that Amiga NG was success.







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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 21-Jul-2023 6:32:21
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I don't care about non standard fpu.
It is not 68k. It don't have to be 68881 compatible.
I will buy at least one Amiga 1222.


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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 21-Jul-2023 6:40:18
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@ppcamiga1

Vampire V4 has most of the features you want and many more cool enhancements.

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
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@DiscreetFX

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Vampire V4 has most of the features you want and many more cool enhancements.

As a 68k setup it might fulfill some of the points, but I don't see it as a valid option for PPC, for example, because:
- It lacks a PPC level NG operating system (which is the reason I use PPC machines)
- Speed isn't anywhere near PPC speeds (it's closer to 060 than PPC, no matter what marketing tells)
- FPU implementation is still broken (perfect compatibility seems to be an issue generally with these FPGA/emulation based hw solutions)

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 21-Jul-2023 8:03:46
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@ppcamiga1

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I don't care about non standard fpu.
It is not 68k. It don't have to be 68881 compatible.
I will buy at least one Amiga 1222.




A fool and his money...

You should by ten.

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 21-Jul-2023 8:27:07
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@Karlos

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Karlos wrote:
@ppcamiga1

Quote:
ppcamiga1 wrote:
I don't care about non standard fpu.
It is not 68k. It don't have to be 68881 compatible.
I will buy at least one Amiga 1222.

A fool and his money...

You should by ten.

Yep. One born every minute.

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 21-Jul-2023 9:16:38
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@topic

Here, I'll write bit on topic for the immature haters of anyone who isn't an A-EON and/or Hyperion sycophant.

So you're in a public forum thread in which there's a post dated 6th July 2023 from a prominent and well respected forum member about breaking news out of Cardiff dated a week earlier (29th June 2023), wherein we are informed that a new trio of companies will collaborate to finally get the long awaited A1222 into the hands of those keen to get one.

The press release states that pre-orders will open in the coming months (they couldn't even commit to a less vague time-frame for pre-orders), with shipments set to begin shortly after that.

So if you are one of those who is excited at the proposition that the A1222 will finally be released, you also might be an Amigan who is asking themselves if maybe the ship has sailed on the idea of owning a less-than X5000 Software Enhancer machine.

Now, the production has finally started: We think. We really have no way of knowing. Mostly because the newly formed trio is concerned how any detail, or any time commitment this far from the finish line could impact the sales, and hurt their ability to recover most if not all their costs.

I expect the proverbial planets will align with the conferences in October, where we should receive a lot more info. That's a very long time to have this thread without the ongoing debate.

@eliyahu has put together an excellent guide which can be found via this thread in which you will find no A1222 smack talk or spam.

The production runs of every piece of PowerPC hardware which served as a target for Amiga OS 4.x over the past couple decades has been accompanied with a non-insignificant degree of disappointment. The owners of the hardware have been open with what they have found disappointing with their purchases. From Eyetech, through Acube, to A-EON. But I suppose it's never been enough disappointment to give up on the whole thing.

So what does the announcement of the a trio forming to commence the production run of the A1222 mean to me?
My interest and curiosity is in how much collective disappointment will be shared in this space and others. Which is free market research.

Have a blessed day.

See y'all tomorrow (my tomorrow).

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 21-Jul-2023 9:49:20
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Have a biased day! :)

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 21-Jul-2023 9:56:03
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@agami

From Facebook they aim at around (1 269,00 tax incl.) for a complete system, about the same of "Sam460LE slim", so they said!

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
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@pixie

Then I must decide between A1222 and SAM460LE (or even X5000), hope stock lasts until Christmas.

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 21-Jul-2023 17:26:05
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@pixie

No matter what anyone has to say, we cant seriously consider this price an entry level Amiga NG. I salute the effort and determination though.

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Matt3k 
Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 21-Jul-2023 18:32:52
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@pavlor

Good point given the price, the X5000 should be considered as an option because of it's performance increase and what's a grand at that point...

If it was sub 500 dollars, much different comparison.

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 21-Jul-2023 18:41:58
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@agami

Good points, sadly the abusive relationship nature and disappointments with OS4.x has caused what you described. Not an easy fix at this point.

Even Acill recently sold his X5000 and left OS4.

The A1222 is an opportunity I suppose for a fresh start and to begin anew, we will have to see what traction they can get from it.

Agreed that is a great guide that eliyahu put together, enjoyed reading it for sure.

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
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@Matt3k

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Good points, sadly the abusive relationship nature and disappointments with OS4.x has caused what you described. Not an easy fix at this point.


Unrealistic expectations lead to great disappointment. We must enjoy what we have and be glad there is still so much activity nearly 30 years after the fall of Commodore.

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
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I guess there is some closure in the whole endeavour. Owning a machine that's been so many years in the making is likely an interesting prospect for collectors.

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 21-Jul-2023 22:03:56
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@Karlos

I agree, I really enjoy my Amiga X5000 and will keep it for a long time. I have lots of computers so don't get a chance to use it everyday. I'm super glad Trevor and the small team made the X5000 happen.

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
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@DiscreetFX

I remember it wad launched in Coalville the day Andy Murray won Wimbledon for the first time! I think I made the right decision staying in to watch that! A sweltering day too! Sorry Trevor!

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 22-Jul-2023 6:53:33
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@Matt3k

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The A1222 is an opportunity I suppose for a fresh start and to begin anew, we will have to see what traction they can get from it.


Digging an extra foot into the hole you are stuck in is the exact opposite of "a fresh start".

That would have required to ditch the Tabor at some point in the past to make place for someone/something going into a different (less brain farty) direction.

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Re: A1222 production now underway!
Posted on 22-Jul-2023 9:37:06
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@Kronos

True, but when the hole is already dug, its too late to complain about, they already spent money, wasted the time on emulating the FPU. Should have cud have, is all meaning less, now they stuck with it. As for the FPU emulation, I guess developers worked on it learned something from it.

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