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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA Posted on 16-Feb-2024 11:52:46
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| @geen_naam
if something is fake or not depends on the view of the people. For many 3.1 running on old hardware is only real, even FPGA or PiStorm is not real for them
most want to use something based on 3.X
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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA Posted on 16-Feb-2024 12:08:25
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at the moment all platforms are undead. So I do not care which one is more decayed and which one less 
of course the interest by people in current user base is different, much more are interested in 68k hardware and software than in other platforms. Amigakit obviously has shifted focus to 68k and development on PPC platforms more or less has stopped |
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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA Posted on 16-Feb-2024 12:27:02
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I take it that the ongoing petty insults are a tacit admission that you either have no grounds to justify your claim that I'm a PPC hater or lack the fortitude to stand by it.
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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA Posted on 16-Feb-2024 12:29:09
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| @Gunnar Oh well excuse me!
Ah yes - Coffin was the joke here, vampires and coffin. Caffeine apparently exists both as OS3.9 variant, and an AROS variant, the OS3.9 variant currently quite popular on PiStorm. Then there is ApolloOS, which according to posters is shipping with open source MUI. Whatever that means… MUI is not open source.
http://www.apollo-computer.com/release91.php
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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA Posted on 16-Feb-2024 12:29:41
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I only see 3.1 API as a real standard. And I am not sure if you mix distributions and OS. As long the API stays the same you can have systems that look & feel different |
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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA Posted on 16-Feb-2024 12:31:53
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| @kolla
MUI5, the one from muidev I think
BTW just found this one: https://mui.com/
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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA Posted on 16-Feb-2024 12:43:08
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And this caffeine OS was renamed to CoffinOS? |
Apparently the other way around.
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Because from what I was told, CoffinOS is also basically a pirated copy of OS3.9 with all the bells and whistles that Os3 has to offer. |
Correct. It was Coffin I meant, not Caffeine…
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I have downloaded it from here: https://www.getcoffin.net/ Ran it on my brand new laptop with winuae out of curiosity. And I hated it. All my memories about the greatness amigaos3.1 were based on a lie. |
I only got it on an SD card for testing of pistorm, and it’s labeled CaffeineOS all over and is quite obviously NOT AROS, it is 3.9 with tons of fluff. My own setups are quite clean, I even turn off blingy Reaction stuff as they tend to be buggy and just eat ram for no good reason. TextEdit is just awkward._________________ B5D6A1D019D5D45BCC56F4782AC220D8B3E2A6CC |
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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA Posted on 16-Feb-2024 12:53:12
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as far as I know there is work on a new shared library for 3D. Software written for it will only run on Apollo hardware but currently there is no software for it. SAGE is RTG and that is included in Aros 68k or can be added with P96 and a special driver. So no changes there. AMMX is a special instruction set to make graphic faster. I think they used it to accellerate datatypes. But it is not affecting API.
I cannot say of course what the team might do in future but currently official focus is on improving 3.1 compatiblilty. Shared Library for 3D is the only real addon currently not existing on 68k but it is not breaking current API. Last edited by OlafS25 on 16-Feb-2024 at 12:57 PM. Last edited by OlafS25 on 16-Feb-2024 at 12:54 PM.
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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA Posted on 16-Feb-2024 13:00:26
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Explain why you think I hate PPC or pipe down.
If you think it's because I can't afford to buy a brand new maxed out X5000 configuration (I mean the fact you can't buy one is something of an issue) then I can forgive the fact that you know nothing about me.
If I'd wanted one, I'd already have one.
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Even the fact that you like Amigaos4 felt like a slip of the tongue. |
It's not a slip. Just because I don't find it "next generation" doesn't mean I don't appreciate it. Again, if you knew anything about me, you'd know how wrong that instinct is.
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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA Posted on 16-Feb-2024 13:11:42
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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA Posted on 16-Feb-2024 13:17:59
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SAGA now offers true color now and other improvements and yes sound is improved. But here most games directly hit the hardware and not use the system and this is even recommended and the idea behind. So yes potentially there is software running only on V4 based hardware. The team wants to sell new devices and partly even earns the living with it and software sells hardware. So it is logical. But currently I am not aware of any software, here in most cases games, that only work on V4. At least no bigger games. Last edited by OlafS25 on 16-Feb-2024 at 01:22 PM.
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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA Posted on 16-Feb-2024 13:21:46
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gratulation if you can. I need to save my money for retirement and could not afford to waste it for such expensive toys. i am only willing to spend money if I get something for it that makes it worthwhile. That could also be fun of course. If you like your ferrari amiga then it is perfect for you. Others decide different |
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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA Posted on 16-Feb-2024 13:34:33
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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA Posted on 16-Feb-2024 13:52:21
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I have it on good authority that the Ferrari board of directors are unconcerned as to whether you hate Ferrari or not. Last edited by Karlos on 16-Feb-2024 at 01:52 PM.
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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA Posted on 16-Feb-2024 14:05:37
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Great, just that I don't care that you are a Powerpc hater. And I cannot think of anyone else that is losing sleep over this shocking revelation.
Stating the obvious is apparently something that is bothering you alone.
Which brings me back to the topic of a walking talking contradiction. |
It's a contradiction to you because you are the one making false assertions. _________________ Doing stupid things for fun... |
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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA Posted on 16-Feb-2024 14:27:26
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And I am not interested much in cars and would never buy a ferrari even if I could afford one.
the same is propably true for most current amiga users... they like their oldtimers, some of them with better engines, but are not interested in buying a different platform, even if this platform is better than the amiga oldtimer they like to use for fun. |
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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA Posted on 16-Feb-2024 14:38:59
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Let me educate you a little.
If I hated PowerPC, I would not:
1. Have bought the BlizzardPPC, which was technically as "sidegrade" over the 68040 I already had (despite being a typically financially burdened student at that time) as soon as it became available.
2. Have gone on to an A1 G4 configuration after the Blizzard G4, AmiJoeG3 and various other products failed to materialise.
3. Joined the OS4 Dev Team
4. Spent hours on both systems, doing actual development for PPC, while working on hardware drivers to be included in 4.1 for a range of PCI and AGP cards.
5. Ultimately destroyed two such systems due to the amount of hardware swapping over that time.
6. Have started this thread.
Perhaps now you understand why I don't and have never hated OS4, why I don't berate it for being an enhanced 3 and why I don't pretend it's more than this.
You may also understand why I don't see the value of coupling it to ever rarer and more insanely priced PPC systems that it can't take proper advantage of and that starve it of prospective users and developers. Last edited by Karlos on 16-Feb-2024 at 02:40 PM. Last edited by Karlos on 16-Feb-2024 at 02:39 PM.
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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA Posted on 16-Feb-2024 14:47:24
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Whatever. If I want a sensible discussion I'll talk to my four year old.
Have fun pushing your Ferrari along the cycle path. Don't forget to say "vroom vroom". It really adds to the authenticity. Last edited by Karlos on 16-Feb-2024 at 02:49 PM. Last edited by Karlos on 16-Feb-2024 at 02:48 PM.
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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA Posted on 16-Feb-2024 14:50:35
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Dopus Magellan as Window Manager. |
wtf?
DIrectory Opus Magelland (which I btw contributed with 150 euros liberate, only so that sobs like you are free to include with your products) is not a “Window Manager". Remember on that other thread where you asked what we see and what we think? One of those three sitting there playing around with a V4SA (running CoffinOS, huh?) is RJ Mical, who wrote the only thing resembling a window manager Amiga, that is Intuition.
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Re: 32-bit PPC on FPGA Posted on 16-Feb-2024 15:05:05
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Excuse me, but no. Where do you see me attacking OS4 or PPC?
What I disagree with is OS4 being stuck in developmental stasis because it's trapped on a platform that it can't gain any traction on. When was the last major 4.x release? MorphOS has had many more updates despite also being stuck on the same melting iceberg. What is the differentiating factor there? Availability. Compatible old Mac hardware is way more accessible and even that is still far less accessible than a Pi.
I think that facing the reality that NG is just a label simply triggers you in the same way it triggers ppcamiga1. You may be more eloquent in you vent your frustration with everything but, it's the same flavour.
Me? I just say it like it is. _________________ Doing stupid things for fun... |
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