@Acill
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So there isnt a back plate that covers the ports with the A1? That it unsat. How can they let just a simple thing not be included? Hmm... For $700 I would think you should get at least that with it.

Tell me about it. What a disappointment. I made a point of it because I know you wouldn't want anything sugar coated.

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@Rogue

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Rogue wrote: @Troll Quote: .hows warp3D going Progressing, but I have a slight problem with the new Radeon driver that needs sorting out first. Other than that it is as good as finished, and will go into final beta test soon.

Nice
warp3d works wiht ATI Radeon 9200 se cards right
pleas say yes dont want to spend mony on a new grafix card


and on to the thred
now wiht USB mas storege and other bug fixes my amiga one is now me main computer and Amiga os 4 works real good, more and more programs on its way so yeah invest in a micro A1 U wont regret it !

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@Acill

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How will I feel using the new OS4?

I hope good, matter of taste. OS4 is the natural successor of 3.x, it is Amiga. My 1200 060+voodoo3+SB128+ADSLethernet+TV is collecting dust since i got my A1+OS4.
OS4 is a huge step forward from 3.9. Thats sure. I hope if you buy a Micro, that you will take your time to feel your system compared to MOS, i can be different i don't know. Anyway this site is full of helping users if you have questions or problems.

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@Acill
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Does it fell responsive like 3.9 did and MorphOS does?

Never ran MorphOS so I have no idea about that. However, I do own an A3000D/030 with 3.9 and an A3000T/060/Picasso-IV with 3.9 so I know exactly how each system feels relative to each other. OS4 feels very much like 3.9 but 100x or so snappier. You definately know that Exec still has that crappy scheduler in there when you run some CPU heavy apps so no surprises there. Resizing windows opaquely still flashes like crazy as well although that is being addressed with new BOOPSI features. I also don't like the lack of video overlay, composite video output and more accelerated 2D drivers but that is supposed to be addressed with SNAP. Switching back and forth between my 3.9 systems and OS4 it is really, really hard to go back to 3.9. In my totally biased opinion (I am a beta tester), 4.0 is much more responsive than 3.9 but it still retains some of the old AmigaOS problem areas (e.g. scheduler) and is still missing some important features (e.g. video overlay). Unfinished yes but very usable especially for software development with the excellent SDK.

I certainly would not (and do not) recommend it as a general purpose end user system right now but I highly recommend it for hard core Amiga fans and especially developers. I certainly hope 4.0 is finished very soon so we can move on to more exciting stuff in 4.1 instead of all this "basic" stuff. One step at a time.

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@Troll

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warp3d works wiht ATI Radeon 9200 se cards right pleas say yes dont want to spend mony on a new grafix card

Yes and no. I have the required information to produce a driver for R200 and above, I just didn't get around to it yet. Most of the code will be shared between the drivers anyway.

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How about getting a rider card so I can have more then the one PCI slot? Any way to get an AGP card working on it in som type of riser? I would rather have a better video card then the 7000 it comes with.

@Acill

Yes, you will be able to use optional riser cards. However the AGP graphic card (like is the case on your Pegasos2) will use a PCI protocol.

Mr. Hardware Computers

However the AmigaOne-XE does support 2x AGP though. So if this is important to you should maybe consider one.

Some nice comparison shots:

Earlier Mini-ITX MicroA1 model and CyberstormPPC:


AmigaOne-XE ATX board

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@Acill

Hopefully soon they will have the riser card with the 1 AGP and 2 PCI slots. A definite speed difference from the 1Ghz down to the 800Mhz. But, OS4 is at this point a more complete OS than MOS. And its still fast!

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@Rogue

what clockspeeds are the 750GX available in?

@Eyetech or anyone else in the know

I heard something about a CPU Module upgrade coming out soon.. which CPU@MHz were they going to use? I'd quite like a 750GX now, having read Rogues post.

@jahc

Sounds like what you really want is .5M L1 cache. If the new megarray card being worked on is 7447A based (I assume it is if 1.4GHz), it will have .5M L1 cache like the 750GX, plus G4/altivec. The 74x1/74x5 are the last models with only 256K L1.

(Edit: the above is wrong, the GX does have a 1M cache...)

Mot hasn't upgraded their PowerPC Roadmap chart in a while to show the newest 7448 which has a 1M cache. We will probably have to wait a while for those...

Scott Woodall

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@Acill

I brought an Antec Aria case and the back plate came with that anyway and it fits. I think the Micro A1 ports are a fairly standard layout, although I could be wrong.

@swoodall

I thought the 750GX already had 1MB L1???
That's why it's wiping the floor with a 7447 (256kb L1).

I can imagine 7447A with it's 512kb L1 being much
faster and probably comparing well with 750GX
MHz for MHz. And 7448 with it's 1MB L1 wiping the
floor with 750GX, but by then we may have 750VX.
750VX is a "G3" with Altivec and atleast 1MB L1.

All this when using non altivec code of course


/Harry

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@Troll

Keep in mind the drivers will be based mostly on the card GPU chip generation, which is not obviously tied to the card model number:

GPU chip	Radeon card models
R100/RV200	Radeon SDR/DDR/LE, Radeon 7200, Radeon 7500
R200	Radeon 8500, Radeon 9100
RV250/RV280	Radeon 9000, Radeon 9200
R300	Radeon 9500, Radeon 9700
RV350	Radeon 9600, Radeon 9800

Condensed data is from the Radeon WIKI. Support has been planned to be best for R100, and move up the list as they get to it. I would hope for good support on R200 and RV250 chips since there are probably a lot of them out there.

Maybe it is time to do a poll of gfx cards in use so Hyperion knows what kinds of cards really need to be targetted? It's hard to buy anything now except a 7000, or a 9200 or higher.

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@swoodall

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it will have .5M L1 cache like the 750GX,

The 750GX actually has a 1MB L2 cache, so it still has an advantage over a 7447A.

I'd love to see some hard benchmarks comparing a uA1 with a GX to older A1s running 750CXes, 750FXs and 7455s. I suspect it will look very good indeed except when asked to handle lots of double-precision float code.

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@dan.hutch

Yeah! I have bought the very same case.
Nice one I might add! Great build quality!

The backplate is a standard one. The only difference between
it and the µA1-C is the VGA, S-VIDEO & Composite.
Those are shown as two serial outputs if I'm not mistaken?!
I'm not at home so I can check it out.

The VGA is the same size as a serial DB9 so it'll will fit exactly
i the backplate. The other two may work (haven't test yet) because
they are small round connectors.

But I would be more than happy if Eyetech made one available that
matches the µA1-C. Even if I have to pay extra for it.


/Harry

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@Samwel

Drat, you are correct, the 750FX has .5M and the 750GX does have 1M. Sorry, I should have checked more carefully before posting, I haven't used any of the IBM chips except the 750L.

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@Acill

im naturally biased as hell but here goes.

but i will give you this..with no sugar on top.

1 year (approx) ago at this time i still used my 1200 in 3.9 ... (switched back and forth to os4 from that) ... in may 2004 something incredible happened which i myself wouldnt belive ..my 1200 became my secondary machine... and since 1992 this has been my main master and i have ignored every other possibility around (and i even had an a4k from 99 and up) ,,,

What happened? ...os4 matured into a full system (it was earlier too but not enough to make mr toaks 100% happy and toss the 1200 out) with everything, and maybe most of all it made the fun go more "FUN".

now i use both my systems but my 1200 is just a slave...my irc machine or things that can go crazy (betatesting / coding / skinning etc u mention it..),
(and non system friendly things like scene demos/whdload etc)
though this is changing too now and as crazy as i may sound but my 1200 was infact powered OFF for a whopping 24 hours with no reason at all some days ago and the reaosn i turned it back on was because i *had* to start dnetc

i doubt my poor 1200 has ever rested as long as 24 hours before , even when my bppc died last year i turned it on everyday to see if it worked until i got that new bppc and sent the other for repair)

As for Aos4 vs Morphos , well there is some things that was better on mos vs os4 but i cant really say its things i must have, things like warpos /pup , dopus magellan works on mos with some fixing (i miss this the most) , mos has a few games we dont have like birdie shoot/KnM, sdl is further ahead on mos though its not critical on os4 and evil rich is working hard on making it better (Thanx). But key things like the SDK is far better on os4

Clearly mos had its advantages of beeing in production longer than os4 and naturally this would mean more apps/games etc but i have no problems with waiting and requesting and give the developers around some inspiration to keep up the good work.

BUT and this is a mindkiller, the real KEY! of why i have sticked around to Amiga since 1985 , i think i havent met 1 rude person or comment since back i joined the os4 beta team , same goes for the community around os4 and basically if you have a problem people will answer you in a proper way and help you or atleast get you on the right track.?

I wholeheartly would hate to loose this thing as thats whats drive me and i doubt it ever will.

This was my non sugared story, imagine how the one with sugar on top would have sounded... (and i do love sugar man )

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@MikeB
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MikeB wrote: @Acill Yes, you will be able to use optional riser cards. However the AGP graphic card (like is the case on your Pegasos2) will use a PCI protocol. Mr. Hardware Computers However the AmigaOne-XE does support 2x AGP though. So if this is important to you should maybe consider one. Some nice comparison shots: Earlier Mini-ITX MicroA1 model and CyberstormPPC: AmigaOne-XE ATX board

I would like an XE IF and only IF all those hardware problems are not a problem with the board I get. Do you have one for sale that is 100% functional? I have a soundblaster live in my Pegasos so I dont care if the audio is dead on it. I know that was never fixed.

@jahc

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what clockspeeds are the 750GX available in?

I don't think Eyetech is offerening them at anything but 800 MHz. There are AFAIK also 1Ghz versions available.

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I'd quite like a 750GX now, having read Rogues post.

The 750GX is really a fast CPU. The only downside is it lacks Altivec.

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You definately know that Exec still has that crappy scheduler in there when you run some CPU heavy apps so no surprises there

Hey, you're talking about my crappy hand-coded PPC assembly scheduler

Cough... A new scheduler will make it into 4.1... currently, there's still a crappy memory system to replace...

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