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MazinKaesar 
Re: Troika Amy speculation..
Posted on 16-Oct-2005 13:30:45
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@tread

btw, Soft3, an italian Amiga Seller, offers a pair of micro-atx cases that can be
used even for micro-itx. Very instersting, a case for Full-size ATX, micro-atx end
even mini-itx (in italian only):

http://www.soft3.net/pages/minitower.php

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Re: Troika Amy speculation..
Posted on 16-Oct-2005 13:40:34
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@tread

Let me introduce you the best microatx tower ever. If it will be usable for
Amy05...

http://www.computercity.biz/product_info.php?cPath=30_63&products_id=2459&osCsid=31e23462dee592292497dedf8c52e196

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Re: Troika Amy speculation..
Posted on 16-Oct-2005 14:14:34
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@MazinKaesar

Ehm, why is this weird? You can fit a miniITX in ANY ATX case, including microATX.

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Re: Troika Amy speculation..
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AMY 05 is flex atx form-factor now

Click

...and here is still mini-itx

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Zardoz 
Re: Troika Amy speculation..
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@mr2

This is dodgy. You cannot change the entire design form factor so quickly, there's no way that the deadline can be reached that way.

Although, with 2PCI slots, it could have never been a miniITX board in the first place, the specs only allow 1 slot, it could be that the design was flexatx in the first place but... This makes me MUCH more skeptical.

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Yes, the weird thing is that the case I linked is very small :)

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Posted on 16-Oct-2005 23:46:11
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@mr2

Yeah, that's another contradiction that they need to clarify in the FAQ section. I noticed that as well. In one place they call it Mini-ITX and the other call it a Flex ATX. Last I checked, those are two different standards, but I would be just as happy to see it as a Flex ATX to be honest. That would mean you could find a case to fit with both PCI slots without purchasing extra PCI risers or extenders.

Oh, I just looked at the specs page and it's been updated. Seems the new specs state that Amy is indeed Flex ATX. See the comparison charts here:
http://www.troikang.com/compare.html

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@Herewegoagain

To be perfectly honest, at this stage I just want to see another 'Amiga' manufactured and available for purchase.

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@TrevorDick

Or even some of the older ones available again . . .

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They have changed the size of the board to 190x170 in the comparison chart.
To me this indicates that they just moved the PCI slots so they both can be
used in a normal mATX case.

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olegil 
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This is dodgy. You cannot change the entire design form factor so quickly, there's no way that the deadline can be reached that way.


Sure you can. The mounting holes and PCI slots are positioned the same in mini-ITX and flex-ATX, so the form factor really just depends on how big you make the board around it. Increasing the size is dead simple. Just move the outer edge outwards. The tricky part is shrinking it. That requires actual work

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@olegil

You know full well that changing a design in CAD doesn't automatically mean that you're done. Are you willing to tell me that they will be on time to product the board in 2 months time, having changed the PCB size now (which obviously means that they haven't mass ordered PCBs or have set up a production line yet) and still be able to get a bug-free product out for the very accurate and specific "

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JR 
Re: Troika Amy speculation..
Posted on 17-Oct-2005 15:50:06
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Does anyone know if Amy will fit in the new Amiga Fantasy case?

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-Sam- 
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Posted on 17-Oct-2005 16:20:49
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Does anyone know if Amy will fit in the new Amiga Fantasy case?


Does anyone have any sort of a release date? If they were going to show a board at BB3 then that must be close to showing now?

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HammerD 
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Posted on 17-Oct-2005 16:24:02
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It says on their website Production in '05...but my guessimation is that this board will take about 11 more months before it is finally in the hands of end users. I hope I am on the pessimistic end of the scale, but time will tell.

It looks like it will be a nice board and a suitable replacement for the microA1.

My only gripe is the soldered on cpu. But I guess that keeps costs down and the northbridge it uses isn't really suited for a G4 anyway.

Perhaps after this board a TSi108A board will come out...

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Hopefully there will be an easily available board by the time that OS4 is finished.

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MazinKaesar 
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Posted on 17-Oct-2005 21:39:44
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@tread

According to the infos on the Morex's site, the Venus 668 and 669
can accomodate a motherboard of max 195 x 245, so an Amy will
fit without troubles even if it will be in flex-atx size

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Posted on 17-Oct-2005 22:03:23
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@olegil

Well, stretch the edge out a bit, yes, and then shift the PCI slot connectors over to their defined Flex-ATX locations to fit the case properly. Lest the ann trolls continue their "it won't fit a standard case" rants... Even though the hackish dual-PCI Mini-ITX would have fit the Travala C137 case with a compatible dual-riser would have all worked out just as well as using an Epia in that case with their custom dual-riser.

I don't suppose that shifting the PCI slots over a bit would be a huge task, just need to be careful to keep trace lengths matched just as well as they did for the Mini-ITX design. I don't think they'd need to reroute anything or move chips around or go to any super-human extents to get things working again, so long as things worked well enough before the change.

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stedy 
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Posted on 17-Oct-2005 23:53:34
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@all

Going from Mini-ITX to Flex-ATX was about 3 hours work. A quick edit to the schematics for a few extra bits, goto layout and extend the board, plonk the connector in the right place and track in, job done. All PCB traces still matched impedances, signal integrity unchanged.

The Mini-ITX form factor was just used as a starting point when I wrote the initial specification back in june. The plan back then was if PCB space got tight or something was wrong we could easily 'grow'.

The much discussed provisional MS Visio PCB layout I produced at the time had 2 PCI slots as my initial requirement was for 2 slots. I was still reading the Mini-ITX specification from VIA when I made that. The specification does not disallow 2 slots but cases do! :)

We hit a delay in PCB production as the on-board C-Media sound chips had not (and still have not) arrived. At a late stage, I had to re-design the audio sub-system to use the new Soundmax devices, which took a bit longer! At least we had all the other needed parts. The extra delay was incurred due to the fact that I went away on holiday, sorry but I do need a break! ;)

These seemingly minor changes took a while to resolve but we are still on schedule.

I realise that saying "we are on schedule" or "just a bit longer" is deeply frustrating and why do we not publish full schedules?
Well this is a business and we do have to make decisions based upon personnel availability, finance, manufacturing and it is not something to be made public.

Please also remember that the other team members and myself work on this in our spare time, sometimes progress is slow.

Thanks for your patience you shall be rewarded in due course.

Ian
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@stedy

sounds like you have it all under control, but fingers crossed nothing goes wrong and its all smooth from here!

this will sell loads if it is all pulled off

good luck!

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