@Bodie_CI5

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@Acill_MOS

I don't like MorphOS's UI. It's not has good as AmigaOS4's UI. The colours are awful. Fonts size are too small.

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ronaldst wrote: @Acill_MOS I don't like MorphOS's UI. It's not has good as AmigaOS4's UI. The colours are awful. Fonts size are too small.

Wow, this thread is degrading at warpspeed factor 6. We have a 'my fonts are bigger than your fonts'

@Kaos

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Kaos wrote: Quote: ronaldst wrote: @Acill_MOS I don't like MorphOS's UI. It's not has good as AmigaOS4's UI. The colours are awful. Fonts size are too small. Wow, this thread is degrading at warpspeed factor 6. We have a 'my fonts are bigger than your fonts'

Well, maybe is not degrading after all if it has made that you do your first comment a year after of your register

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@Fransexy
Hehe, nice one. Yeah I've been lurking quite a while

I just couldn't resist to comment. Basing your like's/dislike's of an OS on colors and font sizes is a bit silly. Especially if these can be changed in no time.

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@ronaldst

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ronaldst wrote: @Acill_MOS I don't like MorphOS's UI. It's not has good as AmigaOS4's UI. The colours are awful. Fonts size are too small.

So change it. You can make it look how you want just like you can in AmigaOS. Thats what makes them both so great!

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@Acill_MOS

Defaults matter. First impressions are what wins over people.

The colours are too dark.

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@ronaldst

your avatar is too dark, i don't like it. You loose.

(btw, better not come again with this famous "you can only make a first impression once" quote, it's a too sad story, really :))

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@Kaos

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Basing your like's/dislike's of an OS on colors and font sizes is a bit silly.

Well, you may be right now, Dude, But I sure as hell did just that when I ran Windows 2.0 for the first time.

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Colin_Camper wrote: @Kaos Quote: Basing your like's/dislike's of an OS on colors and font sizes is a bit silly. Well, you may be right now, Dude, But I sure as hell did just that when I ran Windows 2.0 for the first time.

Ouch, you just gotta love Windows 2.0

Hi,

mmh ... nice to see many "low posting numbers" coming in ....

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@Bladerunner

I have this said in AN and i say this here :
The default MOS look with the 2 arrows in the Windows [forward/back] look
-FOR ME- to much like win ! This is configurable .. i know .. you can
configure Win it looks OS4 .. and the point is ?? The default look IS NOT
Amiga Like -FOR ME- ! If you post this on a win site you will become a
good answer .. this is on a Amiga site not the same .. but i have not managed
the default look .. and the system from the 2 system dirs with one protected
aera is likewise from Win .. so it is not my idea to use basicaly Win features
on MOS ....[and both "news" i dislike]

I think you have no notion from Proffesionel 3D rendering and the prg that
used there ... Blender is a nice prg for hobby 3D artists .. but say me
ONE proffesional 3D animation or Image that is used in the Motion sector
or in advertisement that is maked with blender ...

I am so funy with the TCP stack from on point of view ...
MOS have long time no TCP stack .. then AROS become one and "Magicaly" MOS
have one too .. and if i said this on AN, a MOS user say -> the TCP stack
have nothing to do with AROS ... ???????
This is the point !
I know from the roots of AmiTCP and roadshow .. thanks.

And i have YOU NEVER insult personaly !!! But i think you have only more arguments
like this ...

@Kronos

I think you understand me ...
If a website writing from Amiga, then is mean AmigaOS [and this INCLUDE OS4 and the
computer on this OS4 is running !!]
If a company spoke from Amiga then IS mean AmigaOS ..
..so my point is clear i think ..

@Fab
[mmh .. a new "low-point-name" with a "blue" touch appears i think ..]

MOS only clone the W3D API .. it have nothing new ... nothing own ..
My little finger say that the manpower is not enough to relase 1.5 to pulic ...
So . what you think over a full OpenGL API at Low-Level basis...... *LOL*
For the printer troubble : HE HAVE turboprint installed !......
The differnt situation for the announced ports is, for MOS this ports ar VERY LONG
announced .. and nothing is happen .. no new alpha/beta or something for a Looooong time ...
So .. what you think is the chance he comes out .. ???
And OS4 HAVE 64bit support ready !
You have this nearly understand what i mean with no native mplayer [sorry for the
measurement interpretation] .. i mean a full optimized player [like DVPlayer] that use
the spirit from the OS ... or musst the user buy an 2Ghz Computer to watch with
mplayer on MOS HDTV videos ... ? [over the *hint* with the "legality" i can only lough ..]
mmm.. so many updates .. for me .. he launches most stuff that was long time ago
shown as "1.5" on Computer events .. the difference is , he comes in parts ..

@ChrisH

mmhh .. i really think this will not happen .. MOS and OS4 target always still
the same userbase ... i see no way to change this in the near future ..

@All

I have no problem if a MOS user say he like his lovely OS more than OS4 ...
and i have no problem say he,his lovely OS is for him better [this is naturaly]..
..but say one his lovely OS IS better than OS4, and OS4 only a pice of xx ..or post
a list with compare OS4 to MOS with wrong arguments[partialy] .. then i am a little bit
dissatisfied .... .... i think this is very normal for an member of an OS4 site ..
I have NEVER post such things on MOS sites and will never do this !
I leave the MOS community under itself .. why can this NOT happen with the OS4
community ???
Will you OS4 on Peg [besides i belive this will never happen] then go to genesis
to claim a license ! If he become a license .. THEN this thema is Amiga [or clearly
for the friends from the other side -> OS4] related ! Bevore it is only a puff of smoke ..

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@Acill_MOS

I actually don't like MorphOS default look either. It looks too.. I can't find the
english word for it. Well anyway, IMHO they have done too much work on
it. It should be simpler, especially by default.
But there will always be those that like that look of course. That's why it so
good that both OSes can change its looks to fit everyones taste, like you said.

I guess a computer novice would get more scared of MorphOS than Windows
judging by the appearance alone. This actually applies to OS4 aswell. Both our
OSes need to become easier to use, install and understand.
We that have used Amigas before think they're the easiest computers ever..
But that's just because we live in a little box and rarely look outside of it

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I have NEVER post such things on MOS sites and will never do this ! I leave the MOS community under itself .. why can this NOT happen with the OS4 community ???

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MOS only clone the W3D API .. it have nothing new ... nothing own ..

Mos *also* comes with a W3D wrapper just for compatibility. AFAIK, the real 3D API is Rave3D (created by apple) and has been there for years (since 1998 in cgx), before Warp3D was even created. TinyGL uses this api to provide (partial) GL compatibility.
On the other hand, OS4 only comes with W3D, which is now dropped (why drop it if it's so new, unique and wonderful ???), provides partial GL support with MiniGL (smaller subset than tinygl) and that *full* OpenGL implementation remains to be seen (and how fast will it be if ported from MESA, we'll see as well).

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My little finger say that the manpower is not enough to relase 1.5 to pulic ... So . what you think over a full OpenGL API at Low-Level basis...... *LOL*

But do you even know the involved developers ? It's clear you don't.
And we're still waiting to see you so-called manhood, err, manpower. ATM we can just notice there's almost no 3D application on OS4, besides basic useless stuff and a few old hyperion games. Your manpower probably waits for that full GL implementation to port great new 3d games/apps.

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The differnt situation for the announced ports is, for MOS this ports ar VERY LONG announced .. and nothing is happen .. no new alpha/beta or something for a Looooong time ... So .. what you think is the chance he comes out .. ???

Cancelled/delayed ports are not really new in amiga world, are they ? Both OS4 and Morphos are very limited markets (are they even markets ?) that don't justify these commercial ports imo. I was really surprised to see these announcements in the first place, really.

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And OS4 HAVE 64bit support ready !

Too bad you missed the point. I'm referring to size display mainly (free volume percentage, selected size, ...). It doesn't matter if OS4 has 64bits DOS/Device/Filesystem or not. Dopus5 still needs to be fixed and 64bits support is one of its issues, amongst others.

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You have this nearly understand what i mean with no native mplayer [sorry for the measurement interpretation] .. i mean a full optimized player [like DVPlayer] that use the spirit from the OS ... or musst the user buy an 2Ghz Computer to watch with mplayer on MOS HDTV videos ... ? [over the *hint* with the "legality" i can only lough ..]

Well actually, watching some 1080x720 HDTV files on MPlayer/Peg2 at full speed is something doable. Its integration seems fine to me, as i don't need stupid buttons/eyecandy hiding the real content. How is overlay for radeon coming btw ? Would be nice to have that in a seamlessly integrated video player such as DVPlayer.
And about DVPlayer legality, please dig in aw.net threads and have fun about how the amiga community rejects GPL rules when it's handy to do so.
And also see what lame (and controversial) tricks are used to workaround these legal issues.

Anyway enough played with these pointless comparisons. I answered because I felt the need to correct your wrong assertions to limit the rumours it could generate, but that's it.

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Hi,

@AMIGR

Please DONT !
I have very no problem with you [and cant understand others ...]

@Fab


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If YOU digg in Aw.net .. you become the answer for dropping W3D ....
If the subset smaller.. or only different .....
And [have said already .. you know ..?] i trust the crators of W3D
more than others .. [but this is my subjective view ..]
and yes .. i think..i think .. on MOS site is very many high grade
developers that can manage to finalize 1.5 and doing on the way
a new full T+L 3D API ..... i know ...
the announcement from this ports is -> this was ever said on discussions
that for MOS several prg [games/applications] are come .. and now ............
The drive/hype over MOS is over ... the fire only glime ....
I have Dopus Mag-II last update here and i know the limitations ... sure ..
But without 64bit support on mos ... aahh . i forgot .. it is maked by the many
developers by the way he managed 1.5 out und realize the new 3D API ...
Over DVPlayer .... the way this mistake is handled WAS Legal !
You spread FUD ! You can contact the autor of the liba52 and say him your point *LOL*
It is right that by this way no src from DVPlayer are going
to MOS [your real point of whining] .. but your good developers can make
a so little toy by the way .. when he managed 1.5 .. and 3D API .. and .. and ...
I think the "Lame" acronym is used better on others ....[and i mean NOT the MOS developers!]

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@R-TEAM

[ You could really try using full sentences. would be much easier to read than this mumbling, especialy that your english is not perfect ]

>ohh .. the obsolote/"noT+l cabable" and very old Rave3D API ....
>sorry .. i forgot this pice of holy software ..
>why is no game come out that uses this superior API .. ?????

This api is not available to external developers. It's only internal one used by TinyGL, and all apps use OpenGL API.

@Fab

Good luck. Use patience:)

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ohh .. the obsolote/"noT+l cabable" and very old Rave3D API .... sorry .. i forgot this pice of holy software .. why is no game come out that uses this superior API .. ?????

Because no proper public SDK was released. MOS team used drivers around Rave3D API and hid it with more accepted standart (OpenGL subset). W3D is used only on AmigaOS, Rave3D was used on MacOS. It might be obsolete today in Mac World, but sure as hell W3D is obsolete in a real world. Even Hyperion will use OpenGL in a future ;)

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I have Dopus Mag-II last update here and i know the limitations ... sure .. But without 64bit support on mos

One has nothing to do with other. You say that DopusII couldn't be made to show real partition sizes on AmigaOS3 ? How Dopu4 does it ? :)))

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Over DVPlayer .... the way this mistake is handled WAS Legal !

Binary was distributed with GPL sources compiled in, there was request for sources (as per GPL), multiple requests were ignored. Simple

@R-TEAM

What is all this nonsense? I highly doubt that both, AmigaOS and MorphOS, are able to play back high-quality 720p HDTV video in H.264 encoding with the currently available hardware.

Let's see: I have an iBook, G4 1,2GHz. I have VLC and MPlayer on it. VLC actually uses libavcodec, the very same decoder library that is used by DVPlayer on AmigaOS4. And MPlayer is also the same as on MorphOS. Both of them can't play 720p HDTV in high-bitrate H.264 without dropping frames.

To put it a little more into perspective: I also have a PC, it's an Athlon64 3000+. It can decode these videos - but it actually uses 80% CPU for that. H.264 just is a very complex thing - and in HDTV resolution you need a lot of horsepower... which isn't available for AmigaOS4 or MorphOS.

I agree with Fab. The examples you gave, about MorphOS being so bad, are just about things which aren't much different in OS4 as of now.

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@kiero

quoting is not easy with Aweb [without Javascript enabled] *sorry*
I hope my english is good enough to understand me ..

@brotheris

the "obsolute" point is true for both API´s .. thats right [say i another thing ?]
but on OS4 side, on a full OpenGL based LOW LEVEL driven API [that going not first
over a second API (W3d/Rave3D) ] is in work, from the maker of W3D .. so my trust
is IMHO good placed by the Frieden Brothers! And the switch from 2 API´s to one
standard API with LowLevel acess like W3D/Rave3D is IMHO the right way.

The orginal Dopus4 have not the ability to calculate disk sizes >2GB .. but than it
would relased as opensource and the developer from the new Dopus4 built in support
for >4GB sizes .. the last Dopus4 relase is from 05.2003 and the last Dopus5 patch
to 5.82 is from 1998 !!

Yes .. this story with DVPlayer is right .. and IMHO the autor from liba52 was contacted ...
He agreed the way that is this handled finaly .. and ONLY he have the permission
to do this or not !! So no GPL was broken !
I agree this was not fine and a bad misstake ... but not more!
If the autor give not there permission and THEN the source was not relased .. THIS
would a GPL brake !
If the story an other, i like to hear this ...

@micro

I know that both HW is ATM no capable to play HDTV h264 codecs .. i say this not or .. ?
I imagine that the Mplayer is very unoptimized and slow compare to DVPlayer and
that with mplayer on Peg, you need min. a 2Ghz PPC to watch HDTV .. or simmilar ..
The point is -> MPlayer a typical Linux port -slow,but with the most current codecs from linux
-> DVPlayer is FAST and growing nice .. but have a gap between the codecs he used
and the actual codecs mplayer used .. [the codecs musst optimized first tu used
in DVPlayer] .. and the "other side" would have DVPlayer [or simmilar] very gladly...
[i think not i`am in this point wrong .]



..soo .. enough for now .. musst go sleep

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