@samface

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Please realize that to bring an Amiga hardware product out on the market today is practically a business suicide mission. I don't know of any market with a higher risk involved and it takes quite an investement to manufacture x number of hardware products, regardless if you do it "in-house" or via a third party.

Namely when beggers behave as if world is in some kind of debt to them... yes I'm refering to Genesi hardware. When you have companies who shoot themselves in the foot then of course that it becomes into an 'a business suicide mission'...

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@Helgis
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Helgis wrote: @Tomas I might not have been completely innocent, but i never said i never wanted ACK products to arrive, as i DO want them to come, and i have NEVER insulted Adam or his company as some of you have. No offense...

I cannot say i have seen that many people who actually wanted the project to fail.
And i have never said something that was intended as a insult either.

@Rogue

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But hey, I'm out of this. Talk about it as much as you like, it won't change a thing. We're all stubborn idiots over here.

Guess your right

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@BobW

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BobW wrote: @all Would you guys stop bickering!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just a few posts back Adam said This: Quote: That's the final straw. I'm out of here....this is just not worth the aggravation. Have a good life everyone. Frankly I don't blame him. This place has become a cess pool!

Blamming this thread because one single person attack (which is now restricted), is getting out of hand... how is that one could possible knew the Adam's father problem?

Besides, it wasn't like it wasn't a recurrent pattern (the delays and announcments)

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@Tomas
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It is totally normal to be skeptic and share views regarding that, and adam should really not take this personal, but he should instead try to prove us wrong. Pure personal attacks on the other hand i agree should not happen here.

Absolutely agree on that one. People being sceptical or calling it a hoax are just a result of Adams actions (or rather non-actions...). Personal attacks against him (OldTimeUser) on the other hand are absolutely nonexcusable whatsoever and have been dealt with.

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@madtrekker

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You say this as if you believe that all of these companies are deliberately producing vapourware to annoy everyone. I'd bet that the majority of those 'vapuorware' projects were conceived with the best intentions, but failed to materialise simply because bringing any complex product into the Amiga market is no easy task.

I already apologized in my previous post for my English.
Actually, I do NOT mean they are deliberately producing vapourware, but hey, we've been struggling for many many years so I think people involved in those projects should be very careful about announcing products in a market as difficult as the Amiga one is, because as I said we've seen lots of announcements in the past, but very few of them materialized: I can agree that users should take those announcements with a pinch of salt too, but this should not and IMHO cannot justify companies behaviour (that's why people gets upset, right?), so...

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It seems that to develop Amiga hardware you must either have an incredibly thick skin, or keep very, very quiet.

...IMHO the latter should be THE approach: it's better to make no announcements unless you're actually ready to (at least) show something to the general public, or even better, until you're ready to ship.
I understand that in an ordinary market it would be completely normal to build hype for your product by announcing and promoting it well before it's ready, but... is the Amiga market an "ordinary" market?

I don't think so (anymore)

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@pixie

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Besides, it wasn't like it wasn't a recurrent pattern (the delays and announcements)

What pattern, only thing I noticed maybe from Adam where over excitement, onsidering what he where doing, maybe he made, just made the announcements to early. I properly do the same thing in his position.

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@samface

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samface wrote: @Turrican3 You truely are delusional if you think there is any kind of profit to be made in the Amiga market. Please do go ahead and start your own Amiga business and try to make a profit.

When projects are killed at birth is difficult to start a venture to bring an Amiga Business... believe it, many had tried, but with 'forbidden' hardware.

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As the owner of my own firm, I'm experienced enough to realize the plausibility of Alan Redhouse's statement that it would've been cheaper to give AmigaOne owners $100 each instead of selling them an AmigaOne. Think about it for a moment.

This men is a saint... and he could say wherever he wants and you would defend him, because it's the official path...

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@polka.

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Vesalia? Individual Computers? Amigakit?

These are hobbyist dealers, not very unlike GGS-Data in Sweden who is run by a single man from his own apartment which is breaking even at the most due to keeping the costs to a minimal. The risks taking by dealers are just a fraction of the risk taken by the hardware supplier who takes a risk about the amount of all dealers put together.

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@Turrican3

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...IMHO the latter should be THE approach: it's better to make no announcements unless you're actually ready to (at least) show something to the general public, or even better, until you're ready to ship.

I totally agree.

@NutsAboutAmiga

A pattern is a pattern is a pattern is...
I'm not infering the reasons behind, nor saying that he's doing it out of bad will.. just that it recurrent pattern

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@samface

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These are hobbyist dealers

Youre wrong. Vesalia is not an hobbyist dealer. Sure they've closed theyre store but they had an own technican which is supplying the pegasos systems (and which has repaired my µAone-C) and you can reach them the whole day by phone.

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@Tomas

That's comforting and relaxing to know. Then we agree

@samface

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These are hobbyist dealers

Individual Computers and Vesalia are no hobby companies. They are small, but their work and business does not differ from other small companies. And if they wouldn't have made any profits during the last decade(s), they would hardly be still alive. So in both cases you are wrong.

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@ackcontrls

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ackcontrls wrote: @Kronos My father was admitted to the hospital yesterday, please be a bit patient as this is more important than anything else at the moment. Adam

Ugh. Sorry to hear this, Adam. Obviously something like that takes precendence over anything else.

Wishes for a hopefully speedy recovery!

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@wegster

I agree. This is very sad indeed...

However, i can't help feeling disappointed about how many are criticing Adam and his company, attacking him and causing him to consider dropping all his plans and even leaving Amiga? I don't want that to happen

Please give these members a warning or try to explain to them...

@ackcontrls

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ackcontrls wrote: That's the final straw. I'm out of here....this is just not worth the aggravation. Have a good life everyone. Adam

Thanks for at least trying Adam... I'm right behind you. And I hope your dad is okay.

Good bye guys. It's been fun. This was our last chance of any new hardware. Since Adam has quit, there's not much use in hanging around. A1 users, enjoy your OS4 while you have it. Looks like you will be the only ones to ever get it anyway.

Maybe Troika can license that board for you in a few years time and then you can get OS4... I've already hung around longer than I should based on promises of new hardware coming made to me in PM's...

See ya, bye!

@Tomas
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Tomas wrote: @Turrican3 Quote: ...IMHO the latter should be THE approach: it's better to make no announcements unless you're actually ready to (at least) show something to the general public, or even better, until you're ready to ship. I totally agree.

The problem with this "approach" however is, that in a situation of 1 1/2 years of silence, many of those that would like to buy OS4-licensed hardware would be gone and probably never come back.
The carrot-dangling and "very soon now" statements however keep some of those people in a constant waiting-disappointed-waiting-disappointed loop.

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@Kronos

Please, don't give up. I'm very sad about your father being ill. Don't let these stupid attacks insult you. Ignore them and prove them wrong by completing the projects and release them. Give us all a great surprise You can do it. I believe in you and your excellent ACK Software Control company Don't give up the Amiga thing. You and i love the Amiga, right? That's why we are here

@ackcontrls

Sorry to hear abotu your father. This poll shows that a number of people expected something to come up to delay the pictures, and I'm sure a number of those were rolling their eyes when they saw your post.

That doesn't excuse whatever crass comments were removed by moderators though, and I do hope that after taking some time for things to cool off and deal with more important things that you find your way back to making your project real and complete and sellable.

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