@evilrich

"Old-world-macs" ?? Wouldn't that be like early G3s and 604s ??


I doubt anybody would suggest porting OS4 to these beasts.....


Porting to a selected range of new-world macs (lets say the last G4-power-mac, mac-min-G4 and the G5 iMac) would surely mean a boost in (potential) sales, and would make coding power-hungry apps a slightly more rewarding adventure.

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@Carl-S

I agree.

I think that Amiga OS 4 should have been developed for the x86, however PowerPC is still around, still being used and quite powerful, even though it would have made sense to port it to x86 acrhitecture.

Having said that we can't just throw 5 years of development out of the window...

Going back to the machines being available or not.....I believe that progress has been made although, as a system builder, I think that when you decide to make a new machine you need to either offer something no one can offer (Amiga had spectacular advantages over any other computer of the time and it took pcs and macs ages to catch up) or offer a good price-performance ratio. People either buy cheap stuff or an expensive machine which is able to guarantee brilliant, stable performance, with extra wow factor that lasts longer than a Windows based pc.

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@Hyperionmp
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the hardware situation is being addressed in short order by Hyperion.

That's a totally different story than what Hyperion "reps" have said in the past. "Hyperion is not a hardware company", "Hyperion waits for hardware projects to approach us", etc. etc. On the other hand, Rogue did say he would solder some hardware together himself if it came to that...

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Please note that after 5 years of work (far too long because of inadequate funding)

What does funding have to do with it if the people are working on it full time anyway? We've always been told that the developers have been working full time on OS4 since day one.

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the initial "final version" of Amiga OS 4.0 is now around the corner

Been hearing this for a few years now....that corner must be waaaaay down the street, across a river, and up a hill.

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In case you missed it, some information including the target markets of the current OS can be found here: http://www.amigaos4.com

And it would have been easy to miss too, since the site was down for over two months. But hey - good timing that it's back up now, huh??

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@Carl-S
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One of the main threads of conversation was this: if the PPC is such a big problem (as it appear it is), would it be possible to use cheap hardware for Amiga, like X86 motherboards?

Ever knocked over a hornets nest?

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@Kronos

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"Old-world-macs" ?? Wouldn't that be like early G3s and 604s ??

Yes.

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I doubt anybody would suggest porting OS4 to these beasts.....

The core hardware - north bridge, Mac-IO, etc. - didn't change that much between second and third generation PPC Macs, so why not? It's only the G5 machines are quite different.

Anyway I was pointing out that you couldn't universally rely on MacOS firmware. Why does Linux have a driver for Mac northbridges, for instance, and work-arounds for bugs and mis-configuration problems?

Cheers,
Rich

@saimo

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Well, it's us to be pleased by your presence here

Thanks. It seems like a good group here. I see a lot of energy... and talented thinkers/writers.

It's always interesting to drop-in to see where people and ideas are headed. I see several common threads here. I understand where people are coming from, and I agree with much that has been stated.

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Quote: After all, I know quite well what an Amiga is. To me, Amiga is well defined. This is *very* interesting, indeed. As innocent and obvious as it may sound, indeed there are different ideas about what "Amiga" is. To me, once it was the HW+OS combination. Now, in the days where HW banging is useless for anything other than personal enjoyment, it's just the OS... So... could you elaborate on this, please? I think it would make for a very interesting read

I'd be happy to elaborate on that. Let me write it up after lunch and post it under a new topic. I'll keep it short and to the point.

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@Carl-S

Hi and

Does Holger Kruse still work with you on REBOL ?

@Carl-S

It was great to meet you at AmiWest.

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Basically, it appears that my experience at AmiWest was not the full story

True. There was nobody representing the MorphOS or AROS camps there.

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Of course, this is all easy to say. It is very difficult to achieve. As an eternal optimist, it seems to me that there must be a solution lurking somewhere in all of this.

I think everybody still left here dreaming that somebody some day will build a computer that embodies the spirit of the classic Amiga - whatever that machine is - is an optimist . . . or a lunatic.

Cheers,
Rich

@jorkany

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Ever knocked over a hornets nest?

All the time around SassenRanch. But, these days I seek out the hornets first, before they become too big a problem. Otherwise you become overwhelmed.

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@Carl-S

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Carl-S wrote: All the time around SassenRanch. But, these days I seek out the hornets first, before they become too big a problem. Otherwise you become overwhelmed.

I think thats about the most sensible thing i've read all year...

*cough*

And welcome! Hope you enjoy it here...

And, we're as dissapointed as you are about the "situation" we have... Maybe we need people who can actually produce a product to put there "heads together" so to speak to create ONE product? This would be quicker than the small little projects here and there we have now...

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@Carl-S


from me as well.

TrevorDick

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@jorkany

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the hardware situation is being addressed in short order by Hyperion. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- That's a totally different story than what Hyperion "reps" have said in the past. "Hyperion is not a hardware company", "Hyperion waits for hardware projects to approach us", etc. etc. On the other hand, Rogue did say he would solder some hardware together himself if it came to that...

Well considering that you replied in my thread on moo, you should know that it was unofficially anounced at Amiwest that Hyerion has received Panda evaluation board. If this is the case Hyperion are addressing situation by getting OS4 running on the board.

With regard to hardware they only stated that they would leave leave the announcement of new hardware to the hardware companies.

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Please note that after 5 years of work (far too long because of inadequate funding) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- What does funding have to do with it if the people are working on it full time anyway? We've always been told that the developers have been working full time on OS4 since day one.

We have always been told they are working on it full time. In fact we've been told when they've done other contract work in order to generate more funding for OS4.

Also you'll know that the majority of the OS4 developers are part time. If Hyperion had adequate funding I think the majority of developers would be full time too.

Do we know for sure that "Carl-S" is the real thing? I'm just vaguely recalling past spoofs of famous Amiga people. He probably is, but I'd like to know for sure.

For the PPC vs x86 OS4 record, I think that 42 angels can fit on the head of a pin ;-P

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@Carl-S

Hi and welcome.

I have a question:

Would it be possible to write OS4 in REBOL, now
that it is loose from the hardware and written in C?

Just a thought.

Dirk.

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@ChrisH

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ChrisH wrote: Do we know for sure that "Carl-S" is the real thing? I'm just vaguely recalling past spoofs of famous Amiga people. He probably is, but I'd like to know for sure.

Yes, it is a good suggestion that you validate me. Go ahead and have a trusted and known member of this group ping me at www.rebol.com/contacts.html form. I'll reply via email to the message.

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@Carl-S

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Yes, it is a good suggestion that you validate me. Go ahead and have a trusted and known member of this group ping me at www.rebol.com/contacts.html form. I'll reply via email to the message.

Ok, done that.

@Everybody else

I'll let you know when I get a reply.

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@tomazkid

Good initiative. Of course any kind of validation should be made by an admin.

(who cares if xyz-k1d says person x is really person x)

Btw, who IS Carl Sassenrath?

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@Carl-S

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Yes, it is a good suggestion that you validate me. Go ahead and have a trusted and known member of this group ping me at www.rebol.com/contacts.html form. I'll reply via email to the message.

Till somebody does it, it's time (as many of the others did here) to give credit to Carl Sassenrath (or to you, as you say), because the OS4 is the proof of concepts of yours(+ the original team) . Some may know how hard is to distill the concepts in a system, refine them and even finish it - when ballancing on the edge... being a visioner and a stedy architect. (plus all the pressure: i've heard that you did refuse pick up phones at the end ? )

Offcourse + credits for the hard work and all innovation done by Hyperion and OS4 team.

And to the last point: That's cool that a legend says the same as the other potential customers:
"Where's that bloody system ?!"

kudos
Ed

@Insanity

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Btw, who IS Carl Sassenrath?

Kids these days. They don't know anything.

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@Insanity

Btw, who IS Carl Sassenrath?

The one who gave us Exec ?

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