BBC 2 showed a documentry about Vista tonight between 7 and 7.30pm tonight. Check this out if you missed it:

BBC Money Programme - Vista

These stats are interesting:

MICROSOFT v THE REST
Operating system
96% of the world's computers run Windows
2.5% run Apple's Mac OS

Stockmarket value
Microsoft: $291bn
Google: $145bn
Apple: $73bn

Staff
Microsoft: 71,172 full-time employees
Apple: 17,787
Google: just under 10,000


I HOPE MICROSOFT FLOUNDERS POST-BILL

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@BigD

Being honest, I wasn't overly impressed by it. They like throwing numbers at you....50 million lines of code, $10bn to produce......same old same old.

"WOW" we removed the "Start" button as pressing "Start" to shut down wasn't intuitive.

"WOW" the OS is huge, and needs 512MB ram, 15GB HD space and a 2GHz CPU preferably more, as well as a DX9 card - only not all DX9 cards seem to have support (NVidia 7900 for example from what I have read).

"WOW" it costs between £200-350 (depending on the version purchased)

Sorry, but I think I will pass on Vista.

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@BigD

The GUI looks really ugly (worse than xp)!

but its not always about looks. its suposed to be pretty fast! .. lol if your using the right hardware!

what is the minimun requirments for vista? .. something really crazy ...

I havent used it myself so i cant say much right now.

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@samos3.9

Vista supposedly runs with a 800 MHz X86 and 512 MB of RAM.

The one thing that disappoints me is that most people probably will run in 32 bit.
I was under the impression that Vista would be the all new singing and dancing 64 bit OS.

64 bit is still aimed at servers. Consumers probably won't be too happy with the 64 bit version anyway, as all drivers need to be "signed".

I can order Vista Premium (XP MCE equivalent) for only shipping cost, as I bought a laptop in December. I will order it, but won't install it. If at some point in time I would sell the laptop, I can sell it with a Vista license. Only fear I have is that it might be that you have to register with M$ within a certain time period. That is, register your Vista copy with M$. That would mean I would be forced to actually upgrade my existing XP installation.

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@BigD

And how many of those systems had windows on them and the owners switched to LINUX. M$ isn't going to tell you that (even if they knew). If an OS was worth more for taking up so many resources then M$ has a winner. Took a test drive at a friends, YAWN . . . .

Give me a small fast OS any day.

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@BigD

Just thought I'd say that Windows Vista will NOT be coming to my screen!

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@jiyong

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Vista supposedly runs with a 800 MHz X86 and 512 MB of RAM

Windows XP also ran on a downgraded 1 Mhz Pentium, another matter is that if it is usable or enough smooth to be a pleasure of use

Edit: Even so, that an operating system needs a 800 mhz and 512 MB to run, is unaceptable, I want to run apps, not the OS per se.The OS is only the vehicle, i want all the resources for the apps, not for the OS; but the industry seems that has forgotten what an OS is: only the interface between the hardware and the apps/user

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Vista supposedly runs with a 800 MHz X86 and 512 MB of RAM.

It does run it's just not a good idea.


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I was under the impression that Vista would be the all new singing and dancing 64 bit OS....64 bit is still aimed at servers

VISTA 64bit is not for servers. The Windows 2003 replacement comes later currently in beta 'Longhorn'.

As for your impression that VISTA was 64bit only that was your mistake all along and all the betas have been 32bit.

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might be that you have to register with M$ within a certain time period.

You don't.

I don't like the look of Vista. It may be pretty but it isn't functional (at least for me). The same applies to XP. The first thing I did after installing XP was switching back to standard gray Windows look.

@BigD

Asking what people think of Windows in any form will give you very little in the way of peoples honest opinions. Being a MS prodct usually results in people here clutching at straws to insult it. Thats not to say its flawless and has no issues of its own, but you wont get a lot of honest (or for that matter informed) opinions. Personally speaking I dont mind it. Im not really a Windows fan as such, but for a Windows OS its not bad. Even feels less like the Windows of old. Now in regards to the system requirements they are pretty high, but while its not really an excuse a pc that fits the required specs of Vista can be purchased for next to nothing. So what if a lot of people will need to buy a new PC, this is far from unusual in the computer world when it comes to a new operating system. OS4 and MOS for example generally require a new (and very expensive) machine, and those that are willing to use thier old machines (classic ppc users) will get a usable system, but one that suffers in comparison to a new system (ala Vista).

@samos3.9

I beg to differ about the GUI. I bought Vista and I use it every day. The default scheme is like a curvey, semi-transparent plastic. I personally think it is very attractive. Also the Bloatware works fine on my souped up Bloatmobile.

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Vista supposedly runs with a 800 MHz X86 and 512 MB of RAM.

It probably will run with that.. but without Aero and slower than a... well.. slower than ANYTHING else in fact...

I do run Vista at home now... Just because..
I've been running XP 64-Bit for the last year or so.. That did me fine... Vista does tend to bog the system down a little though... Plus there's no drivers for half my hardware.. so I'm using unsigned XP 64bit drivers and having to push F8 and select the "Disable Driver Signing Enforcement" EVERY TIME I have to reboot...

I think the "WOW" will start after SP1.. lol..

The fact there's 8 critical updates out for it already doesn't bode too well in my mind... lol

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@BinoX

The fact there's 8 critical updates out for it already doesn't bode too well in my mind... lol

Which ones ? I only have;

5 optional updates for drivers and extra options (language pack, 2 x GFX card update, and a fix for the search engine that gives wrong results when using a non-gregorian calender when searching on date and the poker game )

6 important updates (4 are "definition updates for Windows Defender" 1 for my GFX card, the last one is for the error reporting)

5 recommended (compatibility isues, email spam filter, fix for pre activated Vista's needing activation again, an ACPI Utility update and a fix for the phishing filter).

Not even the phishing filter is important enough to install imediatly IMHO.

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Several things to mention, Windows Vista is most likely the last 32-bit processor supported version of Windows. The 64bit version is sold with the Ultimate edition (you have the choice between running 32bit or 64bit windows).. You have to have a 64-bit processor to run the 64 bit version. Not all CPUs sold out there today are 64-bit in the Intel/AMD world, including a few dual core CPUs that are out there (still 32-bit).

64bit processors include:

AMD Athlon 64
Turion 64
Intel Core 2 Duo series (be sure it says "Core 2" in the description otherwise if you get a Core Duo, you could end up with a 32-bit CPU with more than one core)

If you buy a new pc with say " vista home premium" on it, you can do the anytime upgrade to the Ultimate edition over the web (using the anytime upgrade cd) that came with the unit.. The 64-bit media can also be ordered if your machine didn't come with it. It's nice to see that you don't have to run out to update to another version at least.

I would also mention that how fast your CPU works is not a measure of how well the Aero interface will perform. The Aero glass and rendering is ALL done by the graphics card's GPU and takes advantage of 3rd generation shader technology.

For instance Vista runs very well on a 900 Megahertz UMPC (a mini tablet PC which fits in the palm of your hand) and that has a very light spec.. So for all you saying oh Vista requires a "High-Spec" PC, no not really it just requires a decent GPU..



If anyone is interested in seeing the vista experience on the UMPC tablet check this screencast out (requires flash)..

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/umpc/action/index_13.swf


Also check out this cool video..

Video of UMPC Running Vista

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@BigD

Why... Oh no I was ment to say WOW, no I was right the first time. Ok it looks pretty but I'm not sure I'm going to upgrade any time soon if at all. The 3D scrolling through the different windows looks nice but must take a lot from the machine just to swap programs. Anyway we can drag our screens
If I buy a new machine it may well be an Apple unless a realy powerfull Amiga comes along.

@DonnieA2

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(be sure it says "Core 2" in the description)

Not quite, there is the 'Core 2 Solo' available, which is single core. Look for 'Duo' or 'Quad'

@Fransexy

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Edit: Even so, that an operating system needs a 800 mhz and 512 MB to run, is unaceptable, I want to run apps, not the OS per se.The OS is only the vehicle, i want all the resources for the apps, not for the OS; but the industry seems that has forgotten what an OS is: only the interface between the hardware and the apps/user

Testing with single core AMD Turion MT (with FSB running @core clock speed), Mobility Radeon 9600 (with 64MB discrete video memory) and 1GB system memory....

In Vista, AGP memory (128MB in this case) is now treated as shared video memory.

Vista (I used 32bit Ultimate edition for testing) can run on 800Mhz i.e. it’s typical clock speed for AMD’s PowerNow at max power saving mode. At this “power state”(p-state) it can still run Quake III @122 FPS for demo001/normal settings and Aero Glass.

800Mhz from AMD64 != 800Mhz Pentium III since the I/O would be slowest component in the system.

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@BrianK

Sure the 64 bit assumption was my mistake, but it really makes me wonder what the big fuss is about. I'm not at all interested in Vista, but all these rumours that Vista would sell hardware is complete, well, you know what I mean. And the topic asked what I thought about Vista: a disapointment.

I have the strong suspicion that I will have sold this C2D laptop, before M$ takes the jump to 64 bit only. Oh well, there is still Linux.

If you really want the eyecandy, it is recommended to invest in a decent GPU, but otherwise, my estimate is that 90% of the running PC's out there (in the "Western" world) are capable of running Vista, perhaps with just a memory upgrade. Nowadays it's hard to find a machine below 1 GHz.

@Arnie

Are you sure we can "drag our screens" with Vista? You can juggle with them, but drag? And shouldn't that be "drag our Windows"?

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@Esquilax

The amount of cores has got nothing to do with 32 bit or 64 bit. And Vista runs on single cores too.