Well it looks by todays news that Freescale is not going to take competition from PA Semi laying down!
The "Core" Wars have begun

From EDN:

Quote:

At the heart of the platform is CoreNet technology, which the company said is a highly scalable fabric for on-chip connectivity, designed to eliminate bus contention, bottlenecks and latency issues. Freescale claims its CoreNet technology can seamlessly accommodate more than 32 cores as well as heterogeneous core implementations.

You read that right 32 cores!

Quote:

Freescale's multi-core platform includes a Power Architecture e500-mc core, based on the e500 core, targeting a top frequency of 1.5 GHz. It also integrates a new data path resource management technology that handles intra-chip message passing and memory buffer reservation. Freescale said the platform also leverages a hypervisor environment that enables multiple individual operating systems to share system resources, including processor cores, memory and other on-chip functions.

http://www.edn.com/article/CA6455017.html

===================================================
Freescale Links to the news:

A New 4 core?
Multi-Core

White paper on Freescale Multi-core:
Link to PDF

Enjoy All!

Last edited by Interesting on 10-Apr-2008 at 10:48 PM.
Last edited by Interesting on 25-Jun-2007 at 11:16 PM.
Last edited by Interesting on 25-Jun-2007 at 06:00 PM.

_________________
"The system no longer works " -- Young Anakin Skywalker

@Interesting

Sounds interesting !!

But can it get a license ?

_________________
******************************************
I dont suffer from Insanity - I enjoy it

******************************************

@Interesting


I do not find this really interesting, Freescale seems to have a problem
with bringing products to market.
Like for example the much awaited MPC8641(D)
aparently still did not went into volume production.

And is about four years late, well, for the market,
more like two years "stuck" in development.

And Freescale hopes to provide first samples of this 32 core thing
in late 2008 - volume production not untill 2010?

PA-Semi already samples their dual-core and plan to
go into volume production in Q4/2007.

When they put some of it on the table and someone builds a board with it,
then I am interested.
Okay, interested to see if OS4 is running on it.

@Interesting

Sounds cool, but may still not be a big blow to PAsemi's plans. The e500 I believe does not have altivec, and is 32bit core. PAsemi's stuff includes altivec and is 64bit core. Two big differences right there... But 45nm is a big step, and instruction trace sounds like a good debug tool to have.

_________________
All glory to the Hypnotoad!

@Shadowolf

Quote:

I do not find this really interesting, Freescale seems to have a problem with bringing products to market. Like for example the much awaited MPC8641(D) aparently still did not went into volume production.

Yes, and the MPC8641D is still not ready for prime time, sigh.


Quote:

PA-Semi already samples their dual-core and plan to go into volume production in Q4/2007.

I'll believe it when I see it in full production. without alot of bugs.

The PPC Core Wars have begun!

_________________
"The system no longer works " -- Young Anakin Skywalker

@billt

Quote:

But 45nm is a big step, and instruction trace sounds like a good debug tool to have.

thats what impressed me.

Freescale can be right up there with AMD and Intel production wise with the 45nm process.
If I had my way I'd move the dual chipset (8641D) over to the 45nm process, cut the costs and move some product.

_________________
"The system no longer works " -- Young Anakin Skywalker

@Interesting

AmigaOS needs SMP capabilities ASAP.If OS4 gets multicpu support, and implements it better than current solutions, it will rock on these new multicore PowerPCs and thus be competitive and attractive again

_________________
No PowerPC, No Fun
Make Amiga Great Again

@Interesting

I think that they're trying to compete with Intel and AMD with this. Intel have a prototype 80-core processor. It's kind of ridiculous really because they haven't solved any of the issues with that many cores yet. It was really just an exercise in proving that they could place that many cores on a single device. Nevertheless, this is what they are working toward and everyone has to try to keep up.

I'm guessing that Freescale is probably putting the 8641D on the back-burner while it tries to jump from it's current position to where it needs to be to compete.

Hans

_________________
Join the Kea Campus - upgrade your skills; support my work; enjoy the Amiga corner.
https://keasigmadelta.com/ - see more of my work

@Interesting

Quote:

You read that right 32 cores!

They didn't say 32 cores, only that it scales to 32...

What they've announced is a 4 core part for the end of next year, PA-Semi should have their 4 core part out about the same time.

Interesting though that they're jumping direct to 45nm. It looks like they've screwed up their 90nm process and that's caused them a lot of problems, they've since given it up and switched to IBM's tech, allowing a quick switch.

Now to see what PA-Semi will develop in return. Also IBM don't have a direct competitor for these chips wonder if they're planning something.

_________________
Whyzzat?

@Hans

Quote:

I think that they're trying to compete with Intel and AMD with this. Intel have a prototype 80-core processor

Intel is working on GpGPU and Fusion hybrid. Like Intel's 80 core VLIW based design AMD already has 64 VLIW based co-processors via R600.

Cavium has 16 cores (OCTEON CN5680) based on MIPS64 ISA.

Last edited by Hammer on 26-Jun-2007 at 10:01 AM.
Last edited by Hammer on 26-Jun-2007 at 10:00 AM.
Last edited by Hammer on 26-Jun-2007 at 09:58 AM.
Last edited by Hammer on 26-Jun-2007 at 09:45 AM.

_________________
Amiga 1200 (rev 1D1, KS 3.2, PiStorm32/RPi CM4/Emu68)
Amiga 500 (rev 6A, ECS, KS 3.2, PiStorm/RPi 4B/Emu68)
Ryzen 9 7950X, DDR5-6000 64 GB RAM, GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB

@Hammer

Quote:

ntel is working on GpGPU and Fusion hybrid. Like Intel's 80 core VLIW based design AMD already has 64 VLIW based co-processors via R600.

Yeah, fusion has been in the news....looks like AMD's answer to cell.

_________________
"The system no longer works " -- Young Anakin Skywalker

@Interesting

This all sounds interesting, but, until it all becomes available on some cool hardware running an OS I would like to have, it's just . . . . . . . but nothing more . . .

_________________
Avatar babe - Monica Bellucci.

@Shadowolf

Quote:

I do not find this really interesting, Freescale seems to have a problem with bringing products to market. Like for example the much awaited MPC8641(D) aparently still did not went into volume production.

I agree, look at Big Blue's Power5 here the number is lower, but still a monster.

Jack

_________________

"the expression, 'atonal music,' is most unfortunate--it is on a par with calling flying 'the art of not falling,' or swimming 'the art of not drowning.'. A. Schoenberg

@The_Editor

Quote:

The_Editor wrote: @Interesting Sounds interesting !! But can it get a license ?

Yeah, the key problem!
We are alone in the universe just because other planets have not got license!

@The_Editor

It doesn't need a license since this is in no way Amiga related...

IBM chip is fastest on Earth

"The 5-billion-instructions-per second Power6 processor from IBM "



The Rest of the story...

_________________
"The system no longer works " -- Young Anakin Skywalker

@Interesting

The floor of the IT ocean is littered with the wrecks of "gonna kick everybody's ass" CPU technologies - NxGen, Transmeta, Itanium - the list goes on and on. When this is running an OS outside of a lab someplace and available for server or dare I suggest workstation or consumer levels...then it has a chance.

You could paper the moon with the blueprints of pie in the sky someday maybe chips; that doesn't make them available.

_________________
The problem with AmigaOS on PPC isn't that PPC is big-endian. The problem with AmigaOS on PPC is that PPC is dead-endian.

@TheDungeonDelver

The link in Interesting's last post points to an article about something that's already shipping.

Hans

_________________
Join the Kea Campus - upgrade your skills; support my work; enjoy the Amiga corner.
https://keasigmadelta.com/ - see more of my work

@Hans

Yes, I respun the name of this thread as it has alot of material that can be used/added.

_________________
"The system no longer works " -- Young Anakin Skywalker

@hammer

Quote:

ntel is working on GpGPU and Fusion hybrid. Like Intel's 80 core VLIW based design AMD already has 64 VLIW based co-processors via R600.

Some news on Fusion:

AMD CTO resigns
just one of the links on this news

Quote:

Hester also oversaw AMD's development of areas such as accelerated computing and hiring top engineering talent, Keosheyan said. "While he's been here, he's set up a good foundation to be successful and move forward," Keosheyan said.

AMD Loses CTO Phil Hester

the link i wanted to post
Quote:

Hester, a 23-year IBM veteran who joined AMD in 2005, was in charge of the overall technical direction of AMD, as well as establishing the processes for recruiting, retaining, and promoting engineers, the spokesman said. On the technical side, Hester was in charge of bringing AMD's next-generation microprocessor, called Fusion, to market in the second half of next year.

Quote:

Fusion, which AMD is calling an "accelerated processing unit," combines a graphics processor and a CPU on the same piece of silicon. The company is marketing the chips as a new class of x86 processing.

Last edited by Interesting on 14-Apr-2008 at 04:21 PM.
Last edited by Interesting on 14-Apr-2008 at 04:19 PM.

_________________
"The system no longer works " -- Young Anakin Skywalker