Where do i sign up for this thing, amigacommunity agains Amiga ? Power to the people. Hyperion rulez.

@d0c

My money is on Helge! Bill would only throw fake punches and attempt to explain how his knock out punch is going to be better than Mike Tysons while Helge would be kicking butt in a non-violent way! (There!, No Violence as Bills punches are fake and the better than Mikes punch never materializes) Helge has way more Amiga spirit as well, so I would have to go with Helge!

@PhantomInterrogative

The way I look at it is we are due to be lucky and get a company that actually cares about the Amiga. Even a blind squirrel finds a nutt every once in awhile.

@tonyw

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tonyw wrote: Damn, I got tricked into reading this. I failed to see the three exclamation marks on the end of the title.

Same here. I'll never get those 90 seconds of my life back.

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@Helge
I posted this at amiga.org on 2007/4/20 in reply to worries about how Amiga inc. bashing does any good:

"If bashing the biggest reason why OS4 didn't and won't become what it could have become doesn't actually help, at least it's a lot of fun and well deserved "

And I still stand behind those words

Obviously it isn't just about "current" OS4, with some wiser decisions we could have had OS4 years ago. They could have done the most sane thing and offer "agreeable" terms to the MorphOS team, or at least have started OS4 project much earlier (You know, the "On schedule and rockin' -period, which was long before the OS4 development actually started)

@PhantomInterrogative

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Although I am not enthused by the current ownership of Amiga, I do not suspect an ownership change would be much better

But the thing is, there's absolutely way that the next owner could be any WORSE. And getting either better or "as bad" (which imho is very unlikely) new owner, that's a chance that should be taken.

There's only bad thing in "IP changing hands once again" I can think of. And I agree that it's a REALLY bad one - the current Amiga inc. management might actually profit from it in some way.

@AmigaMac
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AmigaMac wrote: @Helge I think diplomacy between the Amiga community and all parties involved like Amiga Inc., Hyperion, Genesi and etc... should be established first.

Hmmm.
I think we've been "diplomatic" a whole while since Amino took over in 2000.

And what did it earn us?

Quite a lot of us (me included) have been ripped off by that fraudulent coupon action (and/or party pack action) by Bill McEwen/AInc.

We all have been lied at by AInc over and over during the last 7 years.

AInc managed to damage the Amiga brand enormously.

And on top - as cherry on the cake - they announce to spend some millions in naming rights to some sort of sport arena, instead actually producing something the (still) existing user base is eagerly waiting for since years!!!

They lost the last bit of credibility among the "community".

And now you come and ask for diplomacy?

My answer is a clear no.
Time for diplomacy is over.

Let the court(s) decide!!!

Hopefully Bill McEwen/AInc get sentenced, loose every right to Amiga name and IP, go "belly up" and are never seen or heard of ever again...

I think I might be in the mood to organize a biiiig "Hooooraayyyyy!!!" party for my friends in that case...

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@Helge

I agree with you. I haven't been posting much since the start of the court battle, because it blew away any hope I had left for things working out OK. But if things are going to be fixed, then A. Inc. needs to go. I was going to say that just Bill McEwen should go, but I don't think it's as simple as that anymore.

Part of me just wants to go back to 1994 and start again from scratch.

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@Gleng

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Part of me just wants to go back to 1994 and start again from scratch.

We are lucky to have had comapnies like Hyperion and Haague & Partner that gave us new versions of the OS. It would have been great if Gateway could have delivered some hardware, but overall unless Amiga could have been bought by Commodore UK or Phase 5, what did you expect to happen? There were hardly any Amiga users even in the Commodore management by 1994. Amiga enthusiasts are hard to come by in the business world!

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THIS IS PURELY SPECULATIVE AND IN THESE LEGAL TIMES, WITHOUT PREJUDICE...

I think in the near future we may see ownership changing hands, getting into bed with Vulcan was a quick fire way to boost their software portfolio, Hyperion weren't playing to their game so Amiga Inc are desperately trying to fight for Intellectual Rights to a product that they contracted out. As soon as they acquire all intellectual property rights to AmigaOS4.0 (if they do should that be) I would not be surprised if they sell the company lock, stock and barrell. I'm sure with AmigaOS4.0 under their belt, the name "Amiga" and the various contracts (that seem to produce little tangible products) would grant some individuals a very healthy retirement package.

I could be wrong... But I always thought the general purpose of operational businesses was to make money, in the industry that Amiga Inc are supposed to be in, you make money by producing products or providing services, from my perspective, all the money that potentially has been laid out has been about blogging the brand. Big up the name, sell the company, by the time the purchaser realises what they have, you're living in a beach side villa on some exotic island.

I honestly wanted Amiga Inc to be the saviour, though I hoped for all owners to be able to bring the system back into the limelight. As each day passes I think I'm sure I could've done better myself, I'm sure WE could've done better OURSELVES. Though for a community take-over, I can't imagine what kind of value Amiga Inc are apparently worth.

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@BigD

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We are lucky to have had comapnies like Hyperion and Haague & Partner that gave us new versions of the OS.

This is true. (Although I haven't been able to run OS4 yet.) I really appreciate what people have actually done to keep things alive, but the whole management side of things has been absolutely shambolic. It just seems to get worse and worse. In fact, just when you really think that things can't possibly get any worse, they do.

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@AmigaMac

I think we should hit them hard, where it hurts, with a leafleting campaign and a whist drive....

@daydreamer

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I'm sure with AmigaOS4.0 under their belt, the name "Amiga" and the various contracts (that seem to produce little tangible products) would grant some individuals a very healthy retirement package.

An OS with no modern browser and no office suite and less than 1000 users worldwide that runs only on PowerPC hardware will make Amiga, Inc. value high enough to fund mulitple people enough for *very* healthy retirement packages??

How?

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But I always thought the general purpose of operational businesses was to make money, in the industry that Amiga Inc are supposed to be in, you make money by producing products or providing services, from my perspective, all the money that potentially has been laid out has been about blogging the brand. Big up the name, sell the company, by the time the purchaser realises what they have, you're living in a beach side villa on some exotic island.

And when any prospective buyer does a google search, let alone consult with an industry analyst first we see that basically can't happen short of them finding some isolated very foolish but somehow rich person.

And remember Pennti has a number of businesses. Amiga seems very much not "operational" (as you put it) in many ways does it not?

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@All

Well, it seems that i have shown a bit too much anger here and went over the line. I got my 14th abuse report. It's way too many now..

I have to keep this professional, but again i can say that i'm very disappointed about Amiga Inc. I don't understand why they ever bother acting like clowns and show themselves in this embarrashing state to the entire computer industry.

It would always have been better if Amiga Inc only gave all the Amiga rights to Hyperion Entertainment, and i'm pretty much sure that Hyperion has the source codes to port AmigaOS4 to x86, which should happen ways ago.

It's beyond me that Bill McEwen made promises and plans already back in 2001. Yes, they sounded good, but they remained only as plans. Now we are in 2007, almost 2008, and look whom has done all the job. Yes, Hyperion Entertainment, NOT Amiga Inc..

No, i'm not going to say i'm punching Bill McEwens' face. I don't even want to get close to that face, so i won't. But if i happen to meet him, i will have a serious talk to that guy with thousand of witness, and i will let him realize that he has kept Amiga community into jeoparty....

Again, forgive me being frustrated. I have fought for the Amigas' future since it was popular...

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@Helge

Well as one non-moderator I don't think you did anything wrong for whatever thats worth. Also Tomazkid did not kill the thread nor warn you on it. In fact he just said to make sure to keep it clean in the thread. So you may want to inquire on why you later got an abuse report on you approved to be on your record given that another mod let the thread continue. Maybe it was even a mistake? They may have their reasoning somehow anyway, but no harm in asking them.

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@fairlanefastback

That's true, but i got the abuse report cause i said i wanted to punch Bill McEwens' face, and calling him things like clowns and such. I believe it's a bit wrong to get an abuse report on that reason, as we are talking about an Amiga company that owns the rights to the whole Amiga thing, but only keep the Amiga and its' community into jeoparty...

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@Helge

I vote Helgis as moderator ;)

@Helge

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We want Amiga Inc to sign themselves DEAD, by simply hand over all the rights to Hyperion Entertainment Group. That is the only solution i see it..

Be sensible - that will never happen.

There is nothing anyone can do except to wait and see.

How long can a company that doesn't make any money continue for? (A lot longer than I expected).

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@Helge

you got my fully support helge in this, giving abuse report for what you said in this post is not fair!... these faint-hearted people at aw.net can go to another place if they cant take it!... the baby talk is over, its about time people can speak their mind without being harassed for it!

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We want Amiga Inc to sign themselves DEAD, by simply hand over all the rights to Hyperion Entertainment Group. That is the only solution i see it..

Im with Sam on that, its stupid to even think that you will be able to get Amiga to give the name away to hyperion or anyone. Its like the rest of the street voting you the foul looking smelly one and saying your house is now theirs and to go away.

There are two things you can hope/push for.
One is to get Amiga to cut its losses and say to hyperion you can have the OS, develop it as you want but you cant use the Amiga name (Call it Hyperion OS4 etc) and then for amiga to start from scratch with a new OS they either buy from someone else or develop in house
The second is for Amiga to sell up and hope whoever takes over (I doubt hyperion, the Amiga name must still be worth a good couple of million pounds just for branding) is willing to make a deal with Hyperion.

Im still more on Amiga's side than Hyperions though, Hyperion havent delivered on the contract, the buy clause was legit etc etc but this thing is turning into a waste of money, Hyperion dont have the source code to the OS so there is nothing A.inc can do other than sue Hyperion into the dust. (I wonder how long Hyperion could last in legal battles tbh)

Anyhow a throw amiga inc out campaign is just so silly, a boycot Amiga products would be do-able (heck a support Amiga products campaign would be harder) but its not like they could do what you want, they would loose all hold on the Amiga name they bought.