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Ferry 
How many apps can Amiga run simultaneously?
Posted on 11-Apr-2008 13:30:19
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It's said that Windows can do up to 108, Mac up to 150 and Linux is shown here running 165. And Amiga? Have you ever tried?

Of course, I don't know exact configs of these machines, so if you do any test, please post your config and specs.

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Re: How many apps can Amiga run simultaneously?
Posted on 11-Apr-2008 13:32:19
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@Ferry

Isn't it down to CPU and RAM nothing more? Surely windows could run 1000 apps if it had tons of RAM?

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Re: How many apps can Amiga run simultaneously?
Posted on 11-Apr-2008 13:58:40
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@Ferry

Personally I do not see the point in that linux video, as it doesn't really prove anything. For example, I just ran 100 instances of "Clock". Along with the other programs that run as part of the boot up normally, this puts my Amiga running over 110-120 "applications". Sure it isn't particularly responsive at this point, but it doesn't prove anything other than I can run 120+ things at the same time - which is the point in a multitasking system isn't it?

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Re: How many apps can Amiga run simultaneously?
Posted on 11-Apr-2008 15:47:09
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It still gives some idea. On Amiga 1200 you can not practically have move than 10 windows opened at the same time. Amiga layers system is slow that it starts choking while applications are using no cpu time at all.

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Tomas 
Re: How many apps can Amiga run simultaneously?
Posted on 11-Apr-2008 16:10:50
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@Ferry

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Ferry wrote:
It's said that Windows can do up to 108, Mac up to 150 and Linux is shown here running 165. And Amiga? Have you ever tried?

Of course, I don't know exact configs of these machines, so if you do any test, please post your config and specs.

Saluditos,

Ferrán.

Depends on what kind of application and the amount of ram and such. I am however pretty damn sure that AmigaOS can do way more apps at the same time providing you have around the same hardware specs thanks to AmigaOS using very little resources which leaves more ram for apps/games.

But you can pretty much forget comparing a classic amiga with a modern pc.

Last edited by Tomas on 11-Apr-2008 at 04:12 PM.

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Re: How many apps can Amiga run simultaneously?
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@itix
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On Amiga 1200 you can not practically have move than 10 windows opened at the same time. Amiga layers system is slow that it starts choking while applications are using no cpu time at all.

Not every program has a window, and single program can have many windows.

But they are not necessarily on the same screen.

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lucaricossa 
Re: How many apps can Amiga run simultaneously?
Posted on 11-Apr-2008 17:27:48
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@Tomas

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Depends on what kind of application and the amount of ram and such..


You're right. It is a nonsense to ask how many applications you can open at the same time. Another question could be : how many applications are really working at the same time ? I don't find win very good at this game.

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Posted on 11-Apr-2008 19:59:25
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More important than how many apps are running, is how usable the machine is while doing that.
If you run 1000 programs and have to wait 10000 minutes to move the mouse, what exactly is your gain? ;)))

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Deniil715 
Re: How many apps can Amiga run simultaneously?
Posted on 11-Apr-2008 21:20:08
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@Ferry

Well, I got 1308 running before I got tired in my arm... ;)
http://hem.bredband.net/deniil/pics/ManyPrograms.jpg

As you can see I started a couple of Calculators. I have 512MB RAM with 260MB free when I started and 73MB free when I quit. Aas you can (perhaps not quite) see by Scout every calculator also got one CON and One KingCON process started. Each with 32kB stack.

Guess Amiga wins

(No seriously. Amiga has no limit except for memory, which is 4GB. Linux has a limit in its PIDs which are short (16-bit, 64k) or long (4G), or perhaps long long (16E). Windoze, I don't know. Mac=UNIX..?)

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Benji 
Re: How many apps can Amiga run simultaneously?
Posted on 11-Apr-2008 23:45:41
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@Ferry

Surely quality over quantity is better? I would be far more impressed to see 1 Firefox window on the Amiga than 1300 copies of calculator...

Last edited by Benji on 11-Apr-2008 at 11:46 PM.

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Posted on 11-Apr-2008 23:56:17
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@Deniil715

LOL I love it.

Anyways I tried that on my windows xp system. I got 116 windows calculators open, then windows refused to open any more. Can anyone else go higher?

I can't even control alt delete with that many open! HAHAHA
I also had firefox open but thats it.

With task manager open I can't reopen the 1 calculator I closed to get task opened. No other programs will launch now. And task manager is not showing me any performance info.
To get performance to show Only 114 calcs can run, and I have 1.4 gig still available and no other program will launch. i love MS!! NOT!!!

Amiga WIns!!


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with 2.6ghz cpu, and 2 gig ram.

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Re: How many apps can Amiga run simultaneously?
Posted on 12-Apr-2008 0:28:08
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@Deniil715

LOL! Brilliant!

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Re: How many apps can Amiga run simultaneously?
Posted on 12-Apr-2008 0:57:12
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@Ferry

The Amiga is the first to do so.
And it's still the best to do so.

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Posted on 12-Apr-2008 1:12:23
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There were PMT OS's in use long, long, long before AmigaOS. And the Amiga is far from best *cough*nomemoryprotection*cough*.

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Posted on 12-Apr-2008 4:06:45
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@AmigaClyde

There were PMT OS's in use long, long, long before AmigaOS. And the Amiga is far from best *cough*nomemoryprotection*cough*.



not on your personal computer there wasnt.... what PMT OS did you have at your house pre amiga?

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umisef 
Re: How many apps can Amiga run simultaneously?
Posted on 12-Apr-2008 4:44:05
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@Deniil715

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Well, I got 1308 running before I got tired in my arm... ;)


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every calculator also got one CON and One KingCON process started.



And in total, you had "only" 1308 processes. So as each calculator takes up 3 processes, I'm afraid you "only" managed to start 400-something of them :)

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Posted on 12-Apr-2008 4:48:55
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@eniacfoa

The CoCo and British "Dragon" systems both ran OS9.

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umisef 
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Posted on 12-Apr-2008 5:01:23
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not on your personal computer there wasnt.... what PMT OS did you have at your house pre amiga?


If that is the generic "you", then both OS9 on the TRS80 and QDOS on the Sinclair QL predate the first Amiga.


If it is the specific "you" (i.e. "me"), then it's a pointless question --- because then, by the same logic, I could claim that the VZ200 was the first home computer, ever, the MTX500 was the first to come with a well-documented user-port, and the 386SX was the first PC.

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Posted on 12-Apr-2008 8:30:45
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@umisef

Quote:

umisef wrote:
@Deniil715

Quote:
Well, I got 1308 running before I got tired in my arm... ;)


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every calculator also got one CON and One KingCON process started.



And in total, you had "only" 1308 processes. So as each calculator takes up 3 processes, I'm afraid you "only" managed to start 400-something of them :)


Even if it´s only 400 apps, it´s x3+ times more than Windows can (Frostwolf test)

Last edited by Fransexy on 12-Apr-2008 at 08:31 AM.

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Re: How many apps can Amiga run simultaneously?
Posted on 12-Apr-2008 11:27:21
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lab here
run sys:utilities/calculator
skip here back

=> 521 calculators running here and then I ran out of memory (I had Dopus and other apps in the background)

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