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Re: UBoot update with OS4.1?
Posted on 12-Aug-2008 0:50:52
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I get the same thing, but it happens so fast that I don't notice it, unless I watch for it. 1st boot device is the CDROM, then 2 HDs, using internal IDE.

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Re: UBoot update with OS4.1?
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How do we remove the ps2 keyboard check in UBoot at startup ?


It needs to be compiled out, but I found that if I do that some PS/2 keyboards fail to connect.
I don't really see the big issue, this is like, ten seconds or so AT MAX.

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Re: UBoot update with OS4.1?
Posted on 12-Aug-2008 10:27:39
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I believe it's version 1.1.1 (I'm not at my A1 right now). It's been quite a while since it was updated.


IIRC the current version is 1.1.4. Please try that before complaining

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Re: UBoot update with OS4.1?
Posted on 12-Aug-2008 10:38:37
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10 seconds is much in amigaworld :D
Just think if my pc friends comes on vitit and sees this. They will laugh :D
Now they say wooow, what a fast boot :D

Joke aside... Its for me personal. I boot often as i do often betatesting of 3rd apps and that includes alot of coldbooting.

Too bad there is no variable to remove this. Wouldnt be bad with an updated uboot with some features/bugfixes if there is any. But it seems there will be no so i just keep using my old keyb :D

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Re: UBoot update with OS4.1?
Posted on 12-Aug-2008 10:49:03
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@Rogue

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IIRC the current version is 1.1.4. Please try that before complaining


Would be nice, but the version at Hyperion.biz is 1.1.1.

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Re: UBoot update with OS4.1?
Posted on 12-Aug-2008 12:19:50
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No we only have Uboot 1.1.1 !

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Re: UBoot update with OS4.1?
Posted on 12-Aug-2008 14:17:14
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@Rogue

I don't want to be a complainer. Where can I try it?

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Re: UBoot update with OS4.1?
Posted on 12-Aug-2008 17:16:25
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Huh? I was sure I had made a 1.1.4 and 1.1.6 updated. I thought that we never released the 1.1.6 and 1.2.0 versions, but I was sure that 1.1.4 was released.

*checks*

Hmm, yeah that's 1.1.1... strange... we did make a 1.1.4 and 1.1.6. No idea why they were never released.

It doesn't change it though. No more U-Boot updates, at least not for the foreseeable future.

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Re: UBoot update with OS4.1?
Posted on 12-Aug-2008 17:46:34
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@Rogue

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@tomazkid

Huh? I was sure I had made a 1.1.4 and 1.1.6 updated. I thought that we never released the 1.1.6 and 1.2.0 versions, but I was sure that 1.1.4 was released.

*checks*

Hmm, yeah that's 1.1.1... strange... we did make a 1.1.4 and 1.1.6. No idea why they were never released.

It doesn't change it though. No more U-Boot updates, at least not for the foreseeable future.


if you already did them (and still have them) - why not just offer them on the download area?

byebye...

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Re: UBoot update with OS4.1?
Posted on 12-Aug-2008 21:31:06
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@Rogue
if you already did them (and still have them) - why not just offer them on the download area?



I second the motion!

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Re: UBoot update with OS4.1?
Posted on 12-Aug-2008 22:05:27
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LOL, you might want to know what you'll get for the risk of flashing a new uboot. The latest & greatest isn't always the greatest!

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Re: UBoot update with OS4.1?
Posted on 12-Aug-2008 23:12:39
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@Rogue

Why not release them if they have bugfixes or new stuff in them ? Is there any problems making them avaible ? You write only no more updates but dont describe why :)

Is there any changelog so we can see what we miss :D

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Re: UBoot update with OS4.1?
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@tomazkid

Huh? I was sure I had made a 1.1.4 and 1.1.6 updated. I thought that we never released the 1.1.6 and 1.2.0 versions, but I was sure that 1.1.4 was released.

*checks*

Hmm, yeah that's 1.1.1... strange... we did make a 1.1.4 and 1.1.6. No idea why they were never released.

It doesn't change it though. No more U-Boot updates, at least not for the foreseeable future.


Well, there does not seem to be anything stopping repairers flashing Amigaones with newer Uboot versions when sending them back (ACK for example), or betatesters gladly reflashing other peoples Amigaones at gatherings, as well as there is two versions at Hyperion.biz, the 1.1.1 and an older version, so does not see what is stopping those already existing version from being put up at Hyperion.biz as well.

As Sundown wrote, reflashing is not something that should be done for fun, the risks are too great, should only be done when there is some advantage to be gained.

I've reflashed a x86 once, it was an old IBM Aptiva, where the newer version added support for DVD-reader.
My AmigaOne, 6 or 7 times, 5 of them added new necessary features, and those other was due to betatesting a new firmware.

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Re: UBoot update with OS4.1?
Posted on 13-Aug-2008 1:13:02
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@Rogue

1.1.1 was the last version on Hyperion's web site for download. I join the chorus asking for the later versions to be put up for download. Unless there is some serious fault in them. And my a1 is in the hospital to see if it can be resurrected. Hopefully it can.

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Re: UBoot update with OS4.1?
Posted on 13-Aug-2008 4:52:49
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if you already did them (and still have them) - why not just offer them on the download area?


Point is, I don't know why we never released them; I suppose there was a problem, and if that is so, then I might do more harm than good.

@tomazkid

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Well, there does not seem to be anything stopping repairers flashing Amigaones with newer Uboot versions when sending them back (ACK for example), or betatesters gladly reflashing other peoples Amigaones at gatherings, as well as there is two versions at Hyperion.biz, the 1.1.1 and an older version, so does not see what is stopping those already existing version from being put up at Hyperion.biz as well.


I heard that some people even flashed the 1.2.0 version with the graphics stuff in it. That was pretty reckless, because as I said, I don't know if there are any problems with that. There certainly was with 1.2.0, for example due to the graphics you might get wrong colors with SLB.

I still fail to see the reasoning. Unless there is something seriously preventing you from using your AmigaOne, what exactly do you expect to get from a new U-Boot version? It will just boot your OS (Linux or AmigaOS), nothing else. Ideally, you don't spend much time in it. The general code (IDE/CD-ROM for example) is mostly untouched anyway, so I don't think there is going to be much of a benefit from that. The graphics stuff in 1.2.0 is incomplete, and a matching SLB was never finished either.

Bottom line, unless some beta tester can point me to a crucial fix in one of these updates, I don't see the reason to risk people getting p/o'ed at me for running into problems. And don't tell me they won't blame me for any problems - they will.

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Re: UBoot update with OS4.1?
Posted on 13-Aug-2008 10:20:04
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@Rogue

Its your fault Rogue :p

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Re: UBoot update with OS4.1?
Posted on 13-Aug-2008 12:14:55
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I hope there will be UBoot updates even for AmigaOnes, if that is necessary..

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Posted on 13-Aug-2008 12:39:58
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Bottom line, unless some beta tester can point me to a crucial fix in one of these updates, I don't see the reason to risk people getting p/o'ed at me for running into problems. And don't tell me they won't blame me for any problems - they will.


But you will likely be blamed for this as well:

Quote:
IIRC the current version is 1.1.4. Please try that before complaining


Now, my A1 works as well for now as I can expect, the usual flakey behaviour, but I have learnt to live with that.
Don't really need an update myself, don't think that will improve the design of the Amigaone.

But, those who think an update might help, should be given the opportunity to test it at least, otherwise your quote from the earlier post (the above one), will just be seen as teasing.
The word seems to be that the 1.1.4 is the most stable of the versions above 1.1.1 as well, and put out with the usual disclaimers of "Use at your own risk" together with readme for the version, as well as warnings "Don't update if your systems works satisfactory", I think you should be covered.

And also, if anyone should blame you despite disclaimers such as the examples above, here at aw.net at least, I can promise you that we will moderate such claims for being slander

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Re: UBoot update with OS4.1?
Posted on 13-Aug-2008 16:42:56
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@tomazkid

The problem is it will take me time to try it, brush up and release it. I just don't want to go through that hassle.

Really, I am not going to release any more U-Boot updates. There has to be a good reason for that, and right now, I don't see it.

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Re: UBoot update with OS4.1?
Posted on 13-Aug-2008 19:51:50
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@Rogue

Fix the keyboard check so we can buy modern usb keyboards. Its like gfx cards(pci-e), more and more keyboards goes over to usb and less works on ps2. Bought my syster a new dual core pc. It had no old ps2 connectors :) I dont like 10sec more of waiting for the os4 to boot. And dont want any text saying failed safetest.

A good reason is helping out us users :D

Why not making like on AROS. Take a sum of $$$ for a project. For example xx euros for the keyboard thing. xx euros for some other funktion that maybe someone else needs. Like geri needs some kind of "tree" for linux. Dont ask me what it is :) i just remember it was called something like that.

But then you are busy with os4 itself i belive :) If you have time in future and dont have anything to do, remember me :D

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