@billt

In a months time, if all goes well, it could make sense talking to more important people and perhaps busy people!

Don't forget they still have legal proceedings, unless that's changed?

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@meet.mrnrg

I spoke of the hardware designer from freescale who build the memeory interface of the 5121. He's still at Freescale AFAIK.
You seem to mix him up with Jack Campbell http://www.aboutjack.com/ who was quite involved in the LimePC thing for THTF, but eventuelly left that company again.

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@Zylesea

Who, if anybody has spoken to him recently? When was the last time?

As for Jack, according to the website, he was involved with;
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LimePC/CherryPal Low-Power, High-Functionality PowerPC Computing

BUT NOT LimeBook! Sorry!

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The Powermacs and iBooks range from practically free 68xxx models to G4s for a couple hundred dollars.

AmigaOS3.x does not run on 68xxx models, and modification needs to be done in 3.1 rom to get it running, AROS might be possibility but it is not going to happen.

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Does not sound where fast, nor does it have a warranty.

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Seems it should be enough to run E-UAE ,etc.

Not at all there is no PowerPC based JIT emulator for UAE so its going to dead slow, whit out JIT you need more then 1Ghz to emulate a AGA 1200, whit a JIT emulator need a lot less maybe 200mhz.

PowerPC G4 @ 800Mhz can just about emulate a Amiga500 @ 7mhz, so a 14mhz computer needs 1.4Ghz I might think.

Interpreted emulators are just too slow.

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In a months time, if all goes well, it could make sense talking to more important people and perhaps busy people! Don't forget they still have legal proceedings, unless that's changed?

So now I'm even more confused why you are talking about this now then? Why not wait a month longer and talk directly to those important busy people instead of us less important people here who cannot do anything for you?

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I know I'm sounding rather critical in here, that's because your method of announcement here seems very not compatible with the way Hyperion has told me they want to do business with people like us (you on LimeBook, me for iBook proposal, Acube for SAM/Moana, somebody for Peg2) on different hardwares than AmigaOne. I just want to try and discourage something that seems haphazard to me here and encourage you to talk to Hyperion as I've been told to talk to them in the past. If you do not, then you are probably wasting all your time and energy in this discussion as it won't go anywhere, wasting people's bounty money as no result that they want will happen, etc.

I want an Amiga laptop. This might be a suitable solution to that. But please, talk to Hyperion, they are not so busy they cannot tell you how they want you to do this. Just ask. If you expect someone else to do everything for you, expect them also to figure out their own deal with Tsinghua Tongfang. If you really want this to happen, and you want to be part of it, you need to do more than resell a couple units on ebay. Otherwise, someone else here may be wondering if they can sell it for $450 and include OS4 in that price after they've actually invested in getting OS4 ported, compared to your $500 and no Amiga relevance at all.

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The limebook uses the very same 5121 as every LimePC out there. The one with the multiport-D-RAM controller. It also runs the very same software (LimeOS).

Your repeating of "speculation" doesn't help. The citation I provided is very valid. It is not a fault of design, but a trade off to gain better memory throughput. Thus, this behaviour will not get changed in other evisions of the 5121. But the same behaviour makes it a bit more difficult to programm for the 5121. The trade off was chosen, beacuse the 5121 is intended for embedded usage (preferable in car media devices) where a fixed and tested set of software is running. The 5121's target is not the desktop kind of stuff. Because in these environemnts it is not too easy to mainatin the software.
Anyway, reports of cherrypal users say it works fairly okay. But the same is true for my Efika, it works fairly okay, but for a 2009 product it is just not enough.
What I really find surprising is why you try to promote the 5121 Limebook, but don't seem to have a clue about it...
Have you actually used the LimeBook *yourself* yet? Can you provide us some benchmarks?
Maybe you are totally naive or you just wanna make a quick 500 pocket money, but you don't seem to have the expertise for your pretended endeavour.

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billt wrote: I want an Amiga laptop. This might be a suitable solution to that. But please, talk to Hyperion, they are not so busy they cannot tell you how they want you to do this. Just ask. If you expect someone else to do everything for you, expect them also to figure out their own deal with Tsinghua Tongfang. If you really want this to happen, and you want to be part of it, you need to do more than resell a couple units on ebay.

If you wnat AmigaOS/MorphOS/AROS on that device you first have to talk to Freescale to get documentation for the PowerVR gfx core. The documentation is *not* freely available.

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If you wnat AmigaOS/MorphOS/AROS on that device you first have to talk to Freescale to get documentation for the PowerVR gfx core. The documentation is *not* freely available.

Direct that to the OP, not to me. meet.mrnrg needs to work out those details with Hyperion and/or his own driver team. We're just trying to clue him in...

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@all

Just an FYI to all, I have sent some emails to contact addresses on some Tsinghua Tongfang Co. sites related to their Lime product line.

Here is one bad sign. First they print email address' in clear text on their contact pages.

Beyond that, many of the address' are not real addresses:

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http://www.limefree.org/community.shtml

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joe@limefree.org: host mail.limefree.org[121.15.134.46] said: 550 5.1.1 joe@limefree.org: Recipient address rejected: User unknown (in reply to RCPT TO command) holy@limefree.org: host mail.limefree.org[121.15.134.46] said: 550 5.1.1 holy@limefree.org: Recipient address rejected: User unknown (in reply to RCPT TO command) leaf@limefree.org: host mail.limefree.org[121.15.134.46] said: 550 5.1.1 leaf@limefree.org: Recipient address rejected: User unknown (in reply to RCPT TO command) cloudy@limefree.org: host mail.limefree.org[121.15.134.46] said: 550 5.1.1 cloudy@limefree.org: Recipient address rejected: User unknown (in reply to RCPT TO command)

Here is what each of the above supposedly works on:

"Joe is responsible for LimeOS GUI software .
Holy is the key engineer responsible for Multimedia.
Leaf is the key sofrware engineer responsible for sever of Limepc
Coudy is the key engineer responsible for uboot,drivers and kernel."

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http://www.limepc.com/contact.shtml

says
Address:
Floor 9 Building D,Tongfang Information Harbour,High-tech
Industrial Park,NanShan District,ShenZhen,China
Tel: +86-(0755)-33010100 Fax: +86-(0755)-33010101

E-mail: info@mtcera.com
Web: http://www.mtcera.com

or has a web form which I used.

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meet.mrnrg wrote: @Trixie I understand... I've been on the waiting team myself. 2 more weeks, 2 more weeks. But really After 2 years and 2 CES shows, and they still had nothing in JAN, I decided to change a lot of things. It still took 3 months of waiting just to get the order placed. I hope not to disappoint, but that part of your hearts and mind has already been zapped into another dimension. Back to the 99.9% chance of failure!

So sorry to have missed the 'festivities'- went for a ride through a few states, instead of watching the insanity here.

Riight. You placed an order for TWO LimePCs and that changed the company's roadmap, right?

You gave mention of who THTF employs. Amiga Inc also has Amiga India - see how useful that's been? You've already said it took forever to even get TWO units.

The fact that so many *intelligent* people have posted with issues on your postings should be telling you something:
1. Your postings generally aren't 'complete' or intelligible. You really should work on that.
2. People want honest answers, not fluff and avoidance.
3. This is still a scheme simply for you to take money from others, and has nearly ZERO to do with anything Amiga, just you trying to rape the few remaining hullible souls out there in AmigaLand. Perhaps you don't believe that, but others as well as I, have stated several times how and why that's the impression being given. We've also given you alternatives on how you MIGHT get any progress...sending a handful of the systems directly to AROS/MOS/OS4 devs, AFTER making sure THTF is actually reven interested in contuinuing (starting?) to produce these machines at all, in the low quantities dictated by the Amiga community, as they certainly won't be competing in the 'real' neytbook market, against MSI Wind, NC10, etc, at much better bang/buck. Or again, is it just you, going on about how we should 'pay your bills and feed you' because you used the word 'Amiga' in your delusional postings?

Opi, fairlane, AP and others - do you think maybe there's a REASON, besides generally believing you're insane, that we've all posted very similar lines of thought? Here's a hint in 'business' - if your potential customers, *especially* online, are asking questions, it's best to actually ANSWER them honestly, without fluff, and you *really* should consider having someone ELSE proof-read your 'wonderful ideas' before you post them, or as someone said, you wind up sounding like Atheist starting a gumball factory or something else useless, or like a Troika 'news item.' :-/

Provide some value, as in what CUSTOMERS want, not what YOU want, or had some deluded dream about one night, and you MAY actually wind up with something resembling a business. Continue to avoid the questions being asked, and instead talk about the US Government (BTW, where ARE you from? Your English and sentences are hmm, 'less than impressive,' so if you're not a native English speaker, it's reasonable, but if you are native English speaking....you REALLY should re-read your own posts and responses before posting them..)...is just simuch more avoidance, that does nothing but continue to give the same perception of you - enthusiastic, but not exactly a genius, let alone in business.

Now, feel free to respond with something totally unrelated, and tell us how you like cheese, and a link to the US dollar bill, or other such crap, instead of actually *listening* to what your 'potential customers' and 'target market' are actually SAYING to you.

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billt wrote: @fairlanefastback http://www.limepc.com/contact.shtml says Address: Floor 9 Building D,Tongfang Information Harbour,High-tech Industrial Park,NanShan District,ShenZhen,China Tel: +86-(0755)-33010100 Fax: +86-(0755)-33010101 E-mail: info@mtcera.com Web: http://www.mtcera.com or has a web form which I used.

Yep I emailed that one too. No bounce-back on that one so far. Honestly though, who puts contact email address' in clear text? Why advertise your email address to spambots?

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@fairlanefastback

There are even broken links on the community site!
It is being looked into as of last week! Updates to the sites, take time.

The email server is interesting, I have been getting emails from more than one person, perhaps those people have been blocked by filters etc... Its worth looking into it!

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meet.mrnrg wrote: @Zylesea I know, no such thing of PC's under the desk in 2008!

What is this in actual English?

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I know no such thing of Cache problems but yes I know there was a Cash/Money problem, and of course there would be if you plan on selling items way bellow a sustainable margin.

Another hint given to you once again.
- cache != cash (I'll help, != means 'not equal')
- google is your friend. Did you REALLY make up this 'wonderful business plan' of yours without doing RESEARCH? Try '5121 cache problems' or 'cache coherency' and do that thing you so often seem to NOT do in anyone's responses to you in this thread. READ IT!

You're welcome.

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Zylesea wrote: @meet.mrnrg You really don't to be seem very well informed about the product you want to promote/sell. About the cache coherence issue let me cite the inventor himself of the memory controller of the 5121: Quote: The mpc5121e is not hardware coherent, because of the multi-port D-RAM controller it uses. The multi-port D-RAM controller was designed in, to increase memory bandwidth. The multi-port controller means that the D-RAM controller itself listens to incoming requests on multiple busses: the display controller, the graphics engine, the PowerPc core at the same time, and always accepts this request that has highest priority and can be serviced at the given time by the D-RAM. As the D-RAM has different banks, 8 of them most of the time, and each of these banks may be in a different state, the requests pending on the different busses are many times for different banks. Some of these requests hit open banks, and can advance, others hit closed banks, and must wait. The multi-port will give priority to these requests it can advance, while opening the banks for the requests it cannot service now. A single port would arbitrate between the requests before entering the D-RAM controller, and then the requests that hit closed banks would require the D-RAM controller to wait, without the possibility to do any useful work in that time. Moving to a hardware cache coherent mechanism means that a multi-port D-RAM controller cannot be used, because all traffic must pass first on the snoop bus, this is the PowerPc coherent bus. Making the 5121e hardware coherent, would make a bottleneck of the PowerPc bus, and on top would mean a normal D-RAM controller needs to be used, not a multi-port any more, leading to considerable loss of bandwidth. (...) The CES 2008 issue is well discussed by some folks acutally involved inside the entire THTF debacle.

Thanks for posting all the 5121 and other info. Perhaps it may actually get READ by nrg, but ssadly, I expect it to be 'news' to him. Worse, if it's not, would that not mean he knows there are issues, even outside of the pricing, and is simply not acknowleding them in the sake of (his) profit?

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@wegster

You mean all those NullPointer Exceptions... stack overflows, out of heap space, out of cannon fodder. :P Its a CACHE problem that costs CASH to resolve. Or is it CatchEE as pronounced by some of the early NET people to avoid confusion with business people!

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meet.mrnrg wrote: @Zylesea Speculation...Speculation...Speculation... I also heard from another unverified source that the "inventor himself" as left the company! So when did he leave? Why? Where is he now? Do you know him? Do you trust him?

Ahh right, but the chance YOU gave, of .1% for LimePC (especially with you 'running it') is NOT speculation somehow?

The 'unverified source' was actually the MAN HIMSELF, ON HIS OWN WEBSITE. Is he really 'unverified then'? Go re-read the aboutjack site. It's no more unverified that YOU posting saying you are in fact a real person, and not a failed Eliza program.

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@wegster

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Yes profits are better than foreclosures.

With so many people claiming you can make money on foreclosures here's a plan they sell every day!

1) Buy a foreclosed house for $1 or less than $500
2) Repair and rent the house at your expense
3) Send the Amiga community all the rent money every month.

Will be rocking in no time!

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@wegster

Back in a day, when I was writer on Amiga.com.pl news portal we had a name for such threads. Brednioserial. That would be bosh-series in English. Long, totally disconnected from real world threads where one side went basically "LALALALA! CAN'T HEAR YOU! TALK TO THE HAND, 'CAUSE MY FACE AIN'T LISTENING". We also coined term to describe such business plans. Amiekonomia, Amy-economy. You throw insane, scam-like plan and add Amiga to the mix.

Some things never changes.

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