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Re: Agnilux - possible X1000 CPU supplier?
Posted on 24-Apr-2010 12:03:07
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Agnilux - possible X1000 CPU supplier?



Agnilux? Er, Don't you mean Google?


BTW They were rumoured to be working on ARM server chips.

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Re: Agnilux - possible X1000 CPU supplier?
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Sadly a small handfull of people can't have the thought of good news for AOS - and immediately tries to ruin even the smallest bit of joy we have...by nitpicking and putting down every effort anybody makes to make OS4 succed.


While this might be true for some of them, I don't think it fits to most of the critical voices in this thread.
Most of them just put some reality in.

My personal opinion is that I hope that AmigaOS* evolves and enter new Markets and is generally more successful.

But I also have some problems seeing the wisdom in A/eon+Hyperions strategy.

Lets take a look from the outside. They try to sell a probably super expensive Desktop Machine to a world where everybody wants to a have something portable like a netbook or a notebook. And they start selling it in the summer when everybody wants to go outside (which would be fine with a netbook).
Of course some people will want a desktop because they do some serious work (Development / Engineering etc.) But the majority of the People I know, wants a portable system.

For MorphOS it is the same problem, but at least PowerPC Macs are cheap now.
AROS is a different case because no one needs to be convinced to buy it, as it is free.


The good news is, that the Summer is near, so in a few weeks we will see how the market reacts on the x1000.




*for me that Term includes MorphOS and AROS too

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Re: Agnilux - possible X1000 CPU supplier?
Posted on 24-Apr-2010 12:58:32
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@Heinz

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And they start selling it in the summer when everybody wants to go outside (which would be fine with a netbook).


News flash it will only be summer for half of the world. I for one will be tucked up inside hopefully with a roaring fire and an X1000 to keep me warm this winter (Northern hemisphere summer). So what do you think they should do sell it when it is winter in both hemispheres?

Oh yes I would also like a netbook. If I can't get an OS4 netbook I will most likely get an AROS netbook once it has WIFI support, which I know is currently being worked on.

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Re: Agnilux - possible X1000 CPU supplier?
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News flash it will only be summer for half of the world.


Oops !
Please excuse my ignorance.

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So what do you think they should do sell it when it is winter in both hemispheres?


For heating purposes, a desktop machine obviously is the better choice !
Hopefully they don't utilize this damn energy efficient PA-Semi chip.
Because then you are screwed ;)


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Re: Agnilux - possible X1000 CPU supplier?
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@minator

ARM sounds pretty weird for a server... for example Cisco seems to use more PPC, MIPS, etc than ARM.

But yes, Agnilux could have been doing just about anything for a server. Something big enough to attract also Google.

(Most Google servers use x86 chips, it would be interesting if they change the CPU. I know server power consumption is important issue for Google.)

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Re: Agnilux - possible X1000 CPU supplier?
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(Most Google servers use x86 chips, it would be interesting if they change the CPU. I know server power consumption is important issue for Google.)


Power / heating is major for them, yes. And they have the luxury that almost everything they run is open source or "homegrown" so they can recompile it as they see fit.

They're in an ideal position to pick and choose based on performance per watt and performance per square foot of datacentre space (which is also quite tied to power usage, due to cooling). For many parts of their system, it's ok to go with slower individual chips if they can stuff accordingly more chips into the same space.


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Re: Agnilux - possible X1000 CPU supplier?
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oooohhh

New pic from Trevor! (hope you dont mind me linking to this Trevor)







What does the binary say? (nowt probably!)

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Re: Agnilux - possible X1000 CPU supplier?
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@ddni

Quite a powerplant !

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Re: Agnilux - possible X1000 CPU supplier?
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@ddni

Copy this

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and paste it here

http://www.roubaixinteractive.com/PlayGround/Binary_Conversion/Binary_To_Text.asp


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Re: Agnilux - possible X1000 CPU supplier?
Posted on 25-Apr-2010 2:35:30
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KimmoK wrote:
@minator

ARM sounds pretty weird for a server... for example Cisco seems to use more PPC, MIPS, etc than ARM.

But yes, Agnilux could have been doing just about anything for a server. Something big enough to attract also Google.

(Most Google servers use x86 chips, it would be interesting if they change the CPU. I know server power consumption is important issue for Google.)


Don't forget the PA6T was designed to scale up to 8 cores per chip. There are old slides out there showing scalability of cores (1-8), cache sizes, memory controllers and high-speed serial i/o (PCI-e, ethernet, etc).

This would certainly fit into a low-power model ideally suited for Google, known for developing their own hardware.

Of course, if this is the "chosen one" for the X1000, life could get interesting...

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To me that PCB picture confirms that the SoC does indeed have a dual 64bit DDR2 interface!
And it would seem that xilinx is used at least for some CF signalling.
And some serdes lines really seem to go directly from the PPC SoC to the xena.

Do those Xena JTAG lines go to the southbridge GPIO lines, instead of the CPU? ... perhaps.


I wonder when we see fully built nemo board. The motherboard pictures so far have not had real xcore in place.

UPDATE:
To me it is also clear that the SoC is the same as on this one: PA6T evaluation board



@gregthecanuck

After this year we anyway have a lot of interesting PPC SoCs in the market, if everything goes well. So even if the PA6T does not continue far to the future, there will be "ok" multicore alternatives.

nemo is a very good stepping stone to more modern computing technology, learning to use (A)SMP, etc...

Interesting year, again...

Agnilux speculation:
http://apple.techwatching.com/search/agnilux

More CPU rumors: http://www.h-online.com/newsticker/news/item/Processor-Whispers-About-Dark-Clouds-and-Hot-Things-985854.html

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Re: Agnilux - possible X1000 CPU supplier?
Posted on 26-Apr-2010 12:33:40
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Hopefully they don't utilize this damn energy efficient PA-Semi chip. Because then you are screwed ;)


I guess I'll have to overclock the GFX card then. They usually provide good heating. I know in winter my current dual core keeps my office nice and toasty :) Unfortunately it does the same in summer too :(

Btw my wife says anyone holding out for a high end Amiga wouldn't give a stuff about what time of year it came out.

Kad.

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Re: Agnilux - possible X1000 CPU supplier?
Posted on 26-Apr-2010 12:40:55
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What does the binary say? (nowt probably!)


Alas I fear you may be right. Still nice pics. I just need to know where to send my money so I can be sure to get one of the first batch.

Kad.

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Re: Agnilux - possible X1000 CPU supplier?
Posted on 26-Apr-2010 12:56:33
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Thanks that was very enlightening

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Posted on 27-Apr-2010 15:51:24
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I was pondering, if Apple does eat ARM, they'll likely put a stop to new designs from competitors. No more ARM Android phones for example... Could turn into a new opportunity for PowerPC to fill such a hole.

Now, would that lead to new PA6T? Apple owns that. If they've alrady licensed it to Agnilux, maybe it's safely in good hands. If they have not already done so, would Apple complete such a license for a some-ways competitor such as Google? Not sure. The PA6T could potentially find itself in limbo.

But if Apple kills ARM's wide usage in so many things, it could give Google reason to pick up PowerPC and run with it, and see somewhat of a comeback there. Particularly for mobile applictions.

Isn't wild speculation fun?

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we love you too.


Leo is a realist person, something people with vaporous dreams wouldn't like

Dammy is a practical person and quite realist, AROS probably wouldn't be as advanced as it is now without him. He was the first in making real the whole "bounty" idea. I doubt MorphOS and OS4 bounties would have been done if he hadn't shown with AROS-Bounties that the idea worked.

Amigaworld would be boring without Kronos' clever arguments. You probably won't like what he writes but he never spreads FUD

Opi loves Linux but despiting that defect his arguments are always reasonable and logical

Realize likes promoting MorphOS but you won't see him flooding pages with vapour products.

Good old Pixie likes all amiga flavours and he chooses inteligent arguments. What a boring place would this be without his friendly comments.

bernd_afa is a good coder who keeps real amigas alive releasing software. His english could be better but he always tries to back up his claims with facts (usually with code tests)

Koft is hated just because he doesn't agree that xmos chip is going to offer any significant advantage to x1000

Crumb is the soul of the party and the reason you want to enter AW.net again and again instead of boring amigans.net.

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Oh I feel so much better now you've told me what nice guys they/you are! - infact you're all here to brighten up the day for the amiga platform....well keep it coming then!

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TheKorn wrote:
@ddni

Copy this

100100111010101111011001000101111011001001001001

and paste it here

http://www.roubaixinteractive.com/PlayGround/Binary_Conversion/Binary_To_Text.asp




Well it said 0100111101101000001000000100111001101111001000000110100101110100001000000111

0100011001010110110001101100011100110010000001101110011011110111010001101000

011010010110111001100111 ( added gaps to keep page size small)

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