PCs are the defacto standard, Commodore died, Amiga evolved ultra slowly.
But' it's still alive, long live Amiga.

P.S.
Who knows, in 2015 when the mainstream will be all "virtual cloud computing", individuals that won't abide to that BS might find a new home in the X3000 the last standing "physical home computer", and the Amiga will rule again

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PC killed Amiga because ...

Choose any or all of the following:

1. Price driven down by competition.
2. Availability by independent companies.
3. Marketing by independent companies.
4. Acceptance by business for business critical processes.
5. (due to 4) Acceptance as the "standard" by home-users.
6. Bankruptcy of Amiga parent companies (a whole string of them).
7. The rise of a single controlling monopoly on PC standards (MS Windows/MS Office)

Should I really go on???

Darren

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Sad when a crappy OS and Hardware rules . . . .

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I'm sure a fair proportion (left after Commodore did their bit) was down to the PC being the standard for boring office work. I'll always remember a friend of mine had an Amiga 500 which was considered the "toy" computer. The PC was in another room and we weren't allowed to touch it. It had two 5.25" floppy drives but no hard drive, and needed to boot an early version of DOS from floppy. It was shocking, and the only reason it was there was because it was the same as the ones in work for taking work home...

Of course we didn't see why the parents were worried we'd ever go near it when we had the Amiga 500 and a shoebox full of games!

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Well...

1: "Flicker-free display"...
2: "Memory protection"...

PC killed Amiga because .. Commodore's Management couldn't sell water to the thirsty in the middle of the Sahara.

The chipmakers had government contracts so they could make PCs and still lose money because they were getting money from the government.

IBM stands for international business machines. Businesses usually put more money into what they buy than the consumer. More money means more R&D. IBM was always larger than Commodore. You are basically trying to have a company like Commodore who wouldn't buy a part that cost $1.00 but yet they were trying to compete against companies which charged while Commodore was always cutting costs until the Amiga. Commodore's little money vs IBM's money was put into R&D and in the end, Commodore lost. You also have to remember that IBM had more professional venders / PC partners that are still here today.

The lawsuit against MOS technology hurt everyone. Commodore bought MOS because of the lawsuit.

The C-64 was a 40 column toy competing with 80 more column machines made by businesses. Commodore never made their own BASIC and basically killed their own consoles by introducing newer machines like the C-16, etc.

The public domain sector got beaten by the business sector.

I bought my Amiga at a computer store and they were advising me to buy a PC because they saw the bigger picture.

Irving Gould did a lot to kill Commodore.

@Ancalimon


Unified X86 PC "industry" > fragmented 68K PC vendors.

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@Chuckt

Quote:

Chuckt wrote: The chipmakers had government contracts so they could make PCs and still lose money because they were getting money from the government. IBM stands for international business machines. Businesses usually put more money into what they buy than the consumer. More money means more R&D. IBM was always larger than Commodore. You are basically trying to have a company like Commodore who wouldn't buy a part that cost $1.00 but yet they were trying to compete against companies which charged while Commodore was always cutting costs until the Amiga. Commodore's little money vs IBM's money was put into R&D and in the end, Commodore lost. You also have to remember that IBM had more professional venders / PC partners that are still here today. The lawsuit against MOS technology hurt everyone. Commodore bought MOS because of the lawsuit. The C-64 was a 40 column toy competing with 80 more column machines made by businesses. Commodore never made their own BASIC and basically killed their own consoles by introducing newer machines like the C-16, etc. The public domain sector got beaten by the business sector. I bought my Amiga at a computer store and they were advising me to buy a PC because they saw the bigger picture. Irving Gould did a lot to kill Commodore.

In the mid-to-late 80s, IBM lost MCA (e.g. Gang of Nine's E-ISA , VL-BUS, Intel's PCI) and i386 (e.g. Compaq) war.

Gang of Nine's members are
AST Research
Compaq Computer
Epson
Hewlett-Packard
NEC
Olivetti
Tandy
WYSE
Zenith Data Systems.

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Because the Amiga owed it money.

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@Ancalimon

Amiga killed PC because... maaaan, I gotta stop smokin that sh*t....

Because Medhi Ali and Irwin Gould was part of Commodore management...

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It's Commodore's fault.Plain and simple.

PC would dominate the market one way or another because of its versatility and business support.But AMIGA could have survived as an alternative computer platform, like Apple Mac.

@Chuckt

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Irving Gould did a lot to kill Commodore.

Errmm. Isn't he the one who snatched Amiga from Atari at the eleventh hour?

He may have played a part in killing Commodore later, but the Amiga probably wouldn't have been a Commodore machine if it wasn't for him.

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Partly down to commodore but also I think the PC got into the business and education market early,
so it just became the standard. even Apple which made much better decision struggled to survive in 90's. The nail in the coffin I think was gaming, when PC got games as good or even better than the consoles every one wanted one.

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The PC didn't kill the Amiga.

Commodore's demise killed the Amiga.

However, what an Amiga would have been in the late 90s would certainly have changed to adapt with the times.
We would have seen Amigas follow roughly the same route as the Mac (for a while).
They would, because there is no way to keep up with the pace of technology, have transitioned entirely from a custom chipset to commodity components. ie. Graphics and Sound cards.
Commodore were already in the x86 PC market and management must have seen the size and promise of the PC compatible industry and directed their energy there.
The PC as an outside force didn't kill the Amiga.
And while management were not championing the Amiga sufficiently that didn't kill it either.
Declining Amiga sales did not even kill the Amiga.
Lack of R&D didn't even kill the Amiga, although it didn't help.

I do not hold enough faith in Commodore to believe that they would have maintained the will to keep the Amiga going in its current form until 2010. They had already sold out by selling PCs, and their R&D budget was in free-fall. I believe if Commodore were still alive today the Amiga would be running Windows rather than AmigaOS. They would have found a way to cannibalise the Amiga brand as a regular PC. It sounds like heresy, but that's the kind of idiots they were. Perhaps, Commodore's demise while premature, was a good thing.....

I believe that Commodore's demise only pre-empted the inevitable demise of the Amiga at their hand. They were a bunch of idiots that didn't realise what they had.

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Another thing to point out is that it wasn't just Commodore fault, Amiga where still in the high streets and still wildly used after there downfall, the problem was it was sold to Escom which was'nt a bad thing at least they had a bit of faith in the Amiga and where reproducing A1200, to costly however, and had plans to move the platform forward with the walker, but again that company went bust and again Amiga was in limbo so no real new development on the Amiga happened, by the time Gateway got control of the Amiga, the hardware and OS where completely out of date and I dont think they knew what to do with it really. So PPC development was all done pretty much unofficially, and when the AmigaMCC got announced that would be based on a whole new OS, and hardware, not PPC that kind of screwed up that development. So with so much uncertainty, with the other computer markets all taken over I can completely understand why so many people left.

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I would also like to stress that ?�Commodore was killed, Amiga was hindered, slowed down and it's no longer mainstream, but it was never dismissed.
It's still alive and could go back at being an alternative platform where aside from advanced 3Dgaming, you can do anything with great satisfaction (play 3D games on PS3 or PS4 and you're set).
LongLiveAmiga

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