@cgutjahr

I just wanted to say I don't like any of these negative Aladdin 4D threads and wish they were not started. All I ever wanted was what I trusted and paid for, Aladdin 4D 6.0. I wanted it for my customers and myself. Also I would have kept it up and gone for version 7.0, 8.0, 9.0 etc. I Don't appricate you saying I did not pay for this. I can prove every single payment made for Aladdin 4D 6.0, every single one.

While this is a major setback for Aladdin 4D I still want to find a way for it to be updated per my original goal. It is an interesting project for a Amiga programmer or programmers. Aladdin 4D always was a long term project for a programmer interested in it.

I just vomited and don't feel very well, please excuse me, goodbye.

- Bill

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@cgutjahr

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cgutjahr wrote: @Slayer Quote: Did you guys read my post, this is all covered by the UNLESS section You might want to rethink your position. In most civilised states, allegations have to be proven - apparently you think it's the other way round ("Unless he can prove"). Quote: You can dress it up or down anyway you like but I'm just talking black and white here, Excuse me? OS4 is illegal? I think that's a bit harsh.

Why do some people here have to be so anal based on there own perceptions? Obviously the one making there case are group A the person accused is group B. I didn't say group B was guilty I was saying if he couldn't counter what group A stated (and I gave a couple of examples where he possibly could) then he will only "probably" successfully make himself look childish/worse.

And when I said you can dress it up or down anyway you want I was meaning you can say what you damn well like or put it anyway you damn well like but it doesn't change what I've said.

Now bugger off now that you've successfully managed to waste my time further but also reminded me why I don't bother posting on this board very much

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@Slayer

Your posts just was not very clear i think. Though if you think a not responded to accusation lacking any proof is enough to recognize the accused as guilty, it is wrong in every civilized country using descendance of roman law.

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@DiscreetFX
If you wont to update it just hire a programer, make a contract and pay for it...
That's all...
Is Deron only developer in the world?

Community also don't feel well after all.

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@Comi
To be fair DiscreetFX is not a charity and might not have the funds (or will) to hire and pay a developer again.

If he has already paid once think what it means to his cost calculations for Aladdin. It might be easier to just forget about the application and make a refund to those claiming (and having the right to) that.

It's not much "paid for" developments that happens in this community and it's sad to read that when someone tries to do something it goes all wrong. I don't care about whether he should have had a legally binding WRITTEN contract with Deron, it's usually to time consuming and expensive to take anything to the courtroom anyway (at least here in Denmark).

I hope Deron would care to comment in this thread and that he and Discreetfx could start communication again.

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@Thread,

I hate to read stuff like this connected in any way to the Amiga, or any platform that came after the Amiga and was inspired to be created by people who shared my love of the Amiga.

No matter how this turns out, it reflects badly on one party, or both, and they are both people with deep roots in the Amiga community.

I feel bad for Bill P. and how he is feeling right now. I believe that he wishes that none of this was brought out for public discussion, and that the discussion is making him feel very badly, if not down right sick. If Bill P.'s actions have been right or wrong in all of this, I don't know, but I still believe what I have written above in this message.

Bill, I hope you start feeling better soon.

@Deron,

I hope that you will some how resolve this situation with Bill P. and DiscreetFX and that Aladdin4D v6.0 for AmigaOS4.x, MorphOS3.x and any other platforms that will make the completion of this software project profitable, can soon be completed.

Mend what ever fences need mending and get back "On Track" with this project. We are all Amiga users here and should respect each other and respects the common history that we all share. We are family and you don't do certain things to your family (and I am not assuming, or accusing anyone of any thing at this point in time).

I hope Deron will post in this thread, but more than that, I hope he will do as I have asked above in this message, and fix this problem, so this software project can go forward.

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@amigadave

Is there really any necessity to investigate this and similar issues any deeper? All whats gonna get revealed is an endless soap opera of scam, mismanagement and general lack of brains. I already feel like amiga community consist in majority of individuals mercilessly trying to reap each other off.

@amigadave

Setting aside the he said/she said, there may be more to solving the issue.

I could give examples of devs who can't get what they need from Hyperion in order to continue work. That could be something as simple as questions answered, but it could mean access to files. For example, do we know whether Deron is a beta tester? Since we constantly see changes in how a program performs or even IF it performs from update to update, this question is relevant.
Can anyone state for fact that Deron even has what he needs? Would Deron communicate such things to Bill? Can Bill, in such a case get such things from Hyperion?
Worse yet, what if Hyperion never responds to mail or loses mail?

Then there's the question of whether Hyperion wants a particular project to go forward in the first place. Do they have their own plans for a project? Might a 3rd party project jeopardize something going on "in house"?

In short, all I get out of this is horrid communications, which is one thing all Amigoid companies have excelled at.

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Pyromania said the way I brought this matter up was a bit harsh, maybe so. But I want to remind everyone that I checked with Bill and as of 11:00 AM CST Deron has made no attempt to help correct this situation, explain himself or offer any form of contact to Bill whatsoever. I suspect that he will never work to resolve this matter in any way.

Bill is home sick today and this matter just burns me up.

- Tedd

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@DiscreetFX

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DiscreetFX wrote: Pyromania said the way I brought this matter up was a bit harsh, maybe so. But I want to remind everyone that I checked with Bill and as of 11:00 AM CST Deron has made no attempt to help correct this situation, explain himself or offer any form of contact to Bill whatsoever. I suspect that he will never work to resolve this matter in any way. Bill is home sick today and this matter just burns me up. - Tedd

So basicly Bill said "Shut the F*ck up" and you continue driveling and eating rest of little credibility your comppany haves...

@Rose

+1

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@DiscreetFX
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Bill is home sick today

Home from where - DiscreetFX HQ Tower in downtown Chicago?

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@csixx

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The Amiga community is truly a miserable group of people to associate with.

steve? where did that come from?

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@eliyahu

Don't ask me to justify my statement. I'd be here all day linking proof.
Just ban me.

@csixx

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not every wish becomes reality...

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@csixx

Enjoy your ban tiny genital boy. How dare you come on here and insult like this.
Rude!

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@csixx

ROFL

I love your temper.

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I have taken Amiga.org down until further notice until Deron Kazmaier begins communication to resolve this issue.

- Tedd

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I have taken Amiga.org down until further notice until Deron Kazmaier begins communication to resolve this issue.

uh, i'm not sure that's going to produce the outcome you intend....

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