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AmigaBlitter 
Re: Some Power related news
Posted on 13-Feb-2021 11:27:48
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@OneTimer1

We are talking about new SoC Power based in development. The team is looking for collaborations for everyone skilled in CPU / GPU / VPU design.

FPGA is a starting point for the initial Microwatt core implementation. The subsequent step is the ASIC implementation.

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Re: Some Power related news
Posted on 13-Feb-2021 16:21:03
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Quote:

AmigaBlitter wrote:

We are talking about new SoC Power based in development.


Dying platform, replaced by ARM SoC in most appliences.

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AmigaBlitter wrote:

The team is looking for collaborations for everyone skilled in CPU / GPU / VPU design.


There is no team at least no one with skills in hard- and software or with money.


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FPGA is a starting point for ...


No, it is a possible target point for hardware emulation, the only way that is left when no one sees a real chance for mass produced hardware.

And seeing what happens when the SoC doesn't has the right kind of FPU for your target OS, should make you more realistic.

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Rose 
Re: Some Power related news
Posted on 13-Feb-2021 16:48:13
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@OneTimer1

Quote:
There is no team at least no one with skills in hard- and software or with money.


You know that project is destined for greatness when you find gems like this from developer list written by the leader.

Quote:

Q: do you understand or know what OP_SC is or does?
A: i don't... and don't care, and it is completely irrelevant to you, as well.

(it's *optional* to have understanding: you may *desire* understanding,
you may *like* to have understanding, but it is, fundamentally, *completely
irrelevant* to the actual task)

Q: do we *need* to understand or know what OP_SC is or does?
A: no we do not.

Q: will it work?
A: yes it will.

Q: will there be bugs?
A: most probably, and those can be found with unit tests.

Q: do absolutely all the required unit tests have to be written *right now*?
A: no they do not.

Q: do we need to freeze and lock up solid in total fear at our total and
complete lack of understanding just because those unit tests do not exist?
A: of course not.

so reading a 1300 page PDF is completely and utterly pointless. and making reading that 1300 page PDF a hard, fixed, absolute critical dependency on *completing this task* is a false assumption, isn't it?

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AmigaBlitter 
Re: Some Power related news
Posted on 3-Mar-2021 8:41:48
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@thread

A Power CPU from 1990 on mars

https://www.techtimes.com/articles/257542/20210301/nasa-mars-perseverance-sports-1990-imac-powerpc-750-withstand-sun.htm

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Re: Some Power related news
Posted on 3-Mar-2021 9:16:35
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@AmigaBlitter

The article probably means from 1990s (there is a typo). The actual CPU is RAD750 from 2001.

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fishy_fis 
Re: Some Power related news
Posted on 5-Mar-2021 1:24:49
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@Rose

Holy cow.
That's so crazy it could have easily been written by half the Amiga user base.

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agami 
Re: Some Power related news
Posted on 7-Mar-2021 0:53:19
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The fact that the latest Perseverance rover on Mars uses a special radiation and temperature resilient variant of the famed G3 PowerPC CPU tells you everything.

PowerPC was an effort, rightfully applauded at the time, to bring RISC-based computing into the mainstream. High-end RISC platforms of the day were pretty much relegated to the workstation and server markets, and a confluence of disparate needs was the hope to take a slice of that growing consumer PC pie.

There were some smart people at Apple, IBM, and Motorola who saw the potential in delivering such a platform through the combination of each other’s strengths and market problems. Unfortunately, the combination of IBM’s greed, Apple’s mismanagement, and Motorola’s narrowly focused capability around design and fabrication, was the bad that came with good.

In many ways, the recipe under which the PowerPC was baked, doomed it from the start. Though no one would admit it at the time, despite early signs that the technically sound alliance was not going to work in a commercial sense.

The return of Steve Jobs, and the singular focus on rescuing Apple was another nail in the coffin that was being prepared for PowerPC in the mainstream. Though some would only see the success of the iMac G3, the TiBook G4, and the 64-bitness of the G5, this was Apple (Jobs) making the best of a bad situation. And thanks to Avie Tevanian and his team, it was a situation that Jobs was going to get out of as soon as practicable.

As with most things, there’s no one culprit in the demise of the Power platform. IBM did its usual thing, and its uncertain if it would’ve made a difference if they’d open sourced it with the release of Power 7. Jobs chose the growth of Apple over the growth of a common platform to compete with increasing x86 dominance. And Motorola didn’t really have a dog in that race so it followed the money and was happy to be a dominant force in the embedded market. They came together for one purpose, but they all pulled in different directions.

So you see, the PowerISA as a mainstream platform is not only dead, it’s been dead for a long time. Shortly after birth some might say. And while there are still millions of MCUs in all sorts of devices, and it’s the legacy platform for highly specialized extreme computing requirements like military and space systems, the glorious comeback of PowerISA into the mainstream is only a dream inside the minds of a shrinking cadre of fans.

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Re: Some Power related news
Posted on 27-Mar-2021 20:29:52
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@thread

https://openpowerfoundation.org/openpower-foundation-provides-microwatt-for-fabrication-on-skywater-open-pdk-shuttle/

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Rose 
Re: Some Power related news
Posted on 27-Mar-2021 21:27:51
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@AmigaBlitter

Quote:

AmigaBlitter wrote:
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https://openpowerfoundation.org/openpower-foundation-provides-microwatt-for-fabrication-on-skywater-open-pdk-shuttle/


Translation: "We are going to make very simple PPC with 2001 state of the art 130 nm process"

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