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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 18-Aug-2015 10:25:20
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Only thing (of any value) that Cloanto claims to own/license is Amiga kictstarts so if AROS ROMs become replacement than it has nothing. |
But they have everything that is real, true, original. Not reversed-engineered. As well as documentation, books, old media like commercials, etc. These things are valuable to retro enthusiasts. Doesn't matter if it's computers, automobiles, old motorcycles, airplanes, boats, whatever. The real stuff always scores highest!

If you don't want the real, if you merely want to play an Amiga game, then you are perhaps not in the custom segment anyway... |
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 18-Aug-2015 10:57:00
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One could hope that the "real" could one day be used to advantage of anything Amiga related instead for lawsuits and capital investments.Aros,AOS,Morphos,(Win)Uae,etc... |
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 18-Aug-2015 13:02:01
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Individual Computers already got license for 3.1 ROM from Hyperion. |
In case people want to read about that:
Hyperion and Individual Computers Sign License Agreement
That was 2013.
Since then Cloanto asserted more of their rights.
Cloanto confirms transfers of Commodore/Amiga copyrights
That was 2015.
Now we have the new statement mentioned in this thread.
Trevor's blog "Michael Battilana of Cloanto flexing his muscle?". Heh. Dual meaning I should say.
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 18-Aug-2015 13:56:09
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that sounds at least interpretable as noone is allowed to install emulation of amiga and c64 without their approval
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You are ignoring half the facts on the table and then come to the most paranoid conclusion available.
1. "Commodore Ltd." announced a phone featuring emulators for various Commodore machines, and Cloanto is reacting to that - they're referring to "PET, C64 and Amiga computers" throughout the entire PR.
2. Yes, there is an AROS replacement ROM, and that's a nice achievement. But if you had actually tested it, you'd know It is not suitable as a drop-in replacement for retro gaming purposes.
3. IIRC, Cloanto is actually shipping AROS with Amiga Forever. |
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 18-Aug-2015 14:08:43
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to 2.
I HAVE tested it, propably much more than anybody else |
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 18-Aug-2015 16:26:31
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How about we all just wait for the court trial that will never happen. _________________ http://www.pc-opensystems.com |
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 18-Aug-2015 16:43:26
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Yes that will be best |
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 23-Aug-2015 15:14:42
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Just a claim from a website that they wrote and received reply from C=Holdings B.V.:
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C = Holding has now responded. "We are not afraid to lodge complaints against those who violate our rights," said CFO Eugene van Os. "We have communicated to Mr Canigiani that he is not entitled to use the Commodore brand without our prior written authorization. Such we have not given them." |
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Interestig website name "the real owner". Heh.
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 23-Aug-2015 15:40:11
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what is this "C = Holding" exactly doing except holding the brand? |
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 23-Aug-2015 15:50:48
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I don't understand all this talk about "holding the brand".
Amiga Inc. did not license the brand for over a decade, and only when their impending court case demanded they show some usage.
C=Holdings B.V. has only had legal rights for over a year. Why are they the source of people's ire compared to Amiga Inc. I wonder?
Anyway, they had and may currently have a relationship with CUSA, that's obvious. I'm sure one or the other can clarify the current status. Heh.
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 23-Aug-2015 16:09:31
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It doesn't work like that , trademark in question (you provided) :
http://www.trademarkia.com/c-commodore-85832898.html
So you can say that lately they made computers and computer casings with CUSA sublicense deal.What about the rest ?
They need to make ALL of those thing in regular time periods to keep registration alive and in this form.Apart from that they are not registered for making smartphones so if anyone would ask them for license to make smartphones they couldn't give it even if they wanted.They could take money for nothing though.
Now they are talking about company(ies) names and logos but it's not true that CBM needs written permission , in absence of that they can make public disclaimer ("we have nothing to do with Commodore Corp.) which they did.This is to avoid confusion between companies so they don't cause damage to one another.
EDIT : Although trademark changed owner , new owner can't re- start the deadlines.If trademark wasn't used for say 7 years and someone else buys it is still not used for 7 years.
There is mediation procedure involved in trademark opposition in UK (9 moths , can be extended to 18).Not mandatory though ... Last edited by blizz1220 on 23-Aug-2015 at 04:13 PM. Last edited by blizz1220 on 23-Aug-2015 at 04:13 PM.
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 28-Aug-2015 11:20:35
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http://www.en.amibyte.com/
The pictures and listing for the smartphone are gone atm.
New article (Italian only) with graphs and charts concerning the trademark and subsequent opposition:
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Is there anywhere info when they gonna ship the phones? |
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So, has anyone received one of the phones?
Forgot to mention...also gone are the links to cbm ltd., the Commodore-Pet (smartphone) sales page.
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 11-Sep-2015 22:12:21
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Additional note concerning Amibyte:
As of today I no longer see the listing and links for C64x either.
If I'm wrong about this, please correct me.
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 12-Sep-2015 10:25:45
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No it seems that site was reworked , I can only assume without SOURCE that they got few letters from Commodore Corp. saying something like "you will bear responsibility for selling / retailing goods with our logo without our permission" or something like that.
Other option is that you have to register , they had a lots of other products as well. |
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 12-Sep-2015 11:45:51
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Thanks for the confirmation.
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Other option is that you have to register , they had a lots of other products as well. |
Agree.
at the time I made this post
The CommodoreSmart site had removed everything as well, and returned to a mere "contact" page, which is similar to what we currently see at Amibyte. Since then the text and imagery on CommodoreSmart site has returned (changed).
So it is possible that the Amibyte pages are being reworked, as opposed to being challenged. We'll see...
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 13-Sep-2015 14:49:25
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Quick update:
I think you have to give credit to these folks NOT deleting or editing any posts by disgruntled customers made on their own site.
That being said, the posts still state that no one has received product, and for some this is now going on 2 months since pre-payment:
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 13-Sep-2015 20:56:13
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I think they said that shipping starts now but I didn't know they took pre-orders and waited 2 months.Might suggest that it takes 2 months to build the phones (evil perspective) or that it takes 2 month for Frodo and UAE4Droid to be done right (optimistic perspective). |
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 14-Sep-2015 10:40:50
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 14-Sep-2015 19:07:14
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Dated today:
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today i received an email from myTNT.it that a shipment by COMMODORE BUSINESS MACHINES LTD is on the way... |
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 18-Sep-2015 13:17:06
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