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fastbit66 
Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
Posted on 30-Oct-2015 12:19:26
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http://www.amigans.net/modules/xforum/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7095&forum=3
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OlafS25 
Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
Posted on 30-Oct-2015 12:22:34
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@fastbit66

a good action

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fastbit66 
Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
Posted on 30-Oct-2015 12:34:19
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yes - think so too

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wawa 
Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
Posted on 30-Oct-2015 12:58:17
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@fastbit66

the question remains how much this code is worth today in therms of fixing and updating but at least its good to have another reference preserved. time will tell what happens with it. whatever outcome i can finally applaud for a decent move, say thanks on my part and wish all involved good luck with it.

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umisef 
Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
Posted on 30-Oct-2015 13:19:09
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@fastbit66

It's a shame that it's just a code dump, rather than an import from whatever revision control system they used. This way, the complete development history has been lost.


(Also, is it just me, or is that "share alike" clause in the LICENSE file a bit, uhh, "interesting", given the Friedens' own past approach to the MDL and "spirit of [...] true open source"?)

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eder 
Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
Posted on 30-Oct-2015 13:36:18
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@umisef

In under one hour:

30-Oct-2015 12:19:26 : Good news

30-Oct-2015 13:19:09 : First barf


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OlafS25 
Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
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@eder

it was a ironic comment... so what?

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umisef 
Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
Posted on 30-Oct-2015 14:23:42
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@eder

Quote:

/* ***** BEGIN LICENSE BLOCK *****
*
* The contents of this file is copyrighted by Thomas and Hans-Joerg Frieden.
* It's content is not open source and may not be redistributed, modified or adapted
* without permission of the above-mentioned copyright holders.
*
* Since this code was originally developed under an AmigaOS related bounty, any derived
* version of this file may only be used on an official AmigaOS system.
*
* Contributor(s):
* Thomas Frieden
* Hans-Joerg Frieden
*
* ***** END LICENSE BLOCK ***** */


That's still in there. Whether it still applies is unclear....

Also interesting, given the authors' day job, is the somewhat liberal use of Forbid()/Permit() in amigos_process.c...

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cgutjahr 
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Posted on 30-Oct-2015 14:27:39
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@eder

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30-Oct-2015 13:19:09 : First barf

The "first barf" happened three years ago, when somebody (we still don't know who) handed over 7000 Euros for an unfinished port without informing anybody or doing any sort of quality assurance.

But yeah, let's yell some more at umisef.

That said: Good move. Finally.

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Jupp3 
Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
Posted on 30-Oct-2015 15:35:26
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* Since this code was originally developed under an AmigaOS related bounty, any derived
* version of this file may only be used on an official AmigaOS system.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the timberwolf bounty prohibits ports to any other platforms?

Also, since Pegasos 2 is "official AmigaOS system", would Pegasos 2 only MorphOS port be ok?

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Develin 
Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
Posted on 30-Oct-2015 15:49:19
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* Since this code was originally developed under an AmigaOS related bounty, any derived
* version of this file may only be used on an official AmigaOS system.


This seems very vague to me.
Was there a secret clause in the bounty preventing this to be handled in a certain way because of the money was derived from a bounty ?

And well as Jupp3 wrote, there is a lot of different OS you can run on an official AmigaOS system for sure =)

Regardless, it's good to see the source opened

Last edited by Develin on 30-Oct-2015 at 03:51 PM.

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wawa 
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@umisef

i see.. must admit my first knee jerk comment about it was way too positive. apparently stuff hidden away in there like the license restrictions that have been included, whether they apply or not, are as usual meant to prohibit a cooperative work on this material. should have expected that this isnt a gesture of good will.

nevertheless, good luck to os4 audience, you are now clearly on your own with this. lets see what happens next.

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OlafS25 
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@Develin

is this limitation still valid? open source bound to one platform?

LOL

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fastbit66 
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@OlafS25

right - this would be ridiculous !

Hope the Frieden brothers will clarify that issue asap.

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AmigaBlitter 
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Posted on 30-Oct-2015 16:08:44
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The port refers to Firefox version 3 or 4?

Firefox code changed significantly meanwhile, starting from the memory management.


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number6 
Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
Posted on 30-Oct-2015 16:09:47
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@fastbit66

It is my understanding that one should write to the Friedens, the copyright holders, if one is interested in participating.

@all

If any official reply is made elsewhere confirming this, please post it here.

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iggy 
Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
Posted on 30-Oct-2015 16:41:10
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@fastbit66

Quote:
right - this would be ridiculous ! Hope the Frieden brothers will clarify that issue asap.


Right...like there is any serious animosity between MorphOS developers and the Friedens.
They just work for Big Satan (Ben Hermanns), and to the best of my knowledge, Hermans is the one that has fostered any animosity.

The clause makes sense if you realize that Timberwolf was designed to be an OS4 project.
This is just their way of saying "Here you deal with it".

There ARE times when you fellows push these two guys too hard.

BTW - Firefox could be a target after MorphOS moves to X64, but more than likely they will still support Fab's version of OWB (since the endian issues in the latest webkit versions would be solved).

Last edited by iggy on 30-Oct-2015 at 04:57 PM.
Last edited by iggy on 30-Oct-2015 at 04:44 PM.

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OlafS25 
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@fastbit66

I already got bashed by Gutjahr because of commenting it...

I still think it is silly to connect open source to a certain platform. To me the opposite what open source stands for. Perhaps only a misunderstanding.

And if not be it...

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Chain-Q 
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Posted on 30-Oct-2015 17:24:26
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@OlafS25
Well, the source is full of the usual OS4isms anyway. Probably not useful on any other system (including classic) without a massive rewrite. (Still, it's probably OK as a reference.)

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Yasu 
Re: Timberwolf now open sourced!!!
Posted on 30-Oct-2015 18:02:35
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I think they should have open sourced it sooner, but better late than never

So, who is gonna work on this?

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