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Re: Vampire V4 Standalone - Details and Price
Posted on 19-Oct-2019 17:55:20
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@BigD

Use PPaint, problem solved.

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Re: Vampire V4 Standalone - Details and Price
Posted on 19-Oct-2019 17:59:10
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If PPaint was as good for animation as DPaint i.e. lightboards etc then I would have switched years ago. Brilliance 2 is the only other animation package worth trying.

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Posted on 20-Oct-2019 13:27:55
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Plus I have hit the chip memory limit quite frequently when animating in 256 colours so a Vampire with a far higher chip ram setting (even 8 mb would be great) and the hi-res interlaced mode would be a great sales point for me.

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Posted on 20-Oct-2019 14:52:28
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interlaced not works yet

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Re: Vampire V4 Standalone - Details and Price
Posted on 20-Oct-2019 22:20:26
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To be honest, ECS/AGA had some exotic screen modes, that where not used in games and replaced by better alternatives when you had a GFX card.

A VampireV4 without FPU, MMU, without these exotic ECS/AGA Modes but with 24 Bit Hires instead would be absolutely OK. Well some Vampire Fans (including Gunnar) seems to have more problems with that, especially when justifying some pompous claims made earlier.

Here is a full(?) list of ECS/AGA modes http://amiga.lychesis.net/knowledge/ScreenModes.html

I don't need a A2040 mode, if I can have the same resolution with more colours over RTG.

You need PPaint for animations? Well PPaint was nice but it couldn't generate MPEG or AVI, that's the major issue today, we need new software but less old and obsolete screen modes.

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@OneTimer1

PPaint just isn’t a good and easy to use animation editor like DPaint is.

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Posted on 22-Oct-2019 6:05:30
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@OneTimer1

I tend to agree about the modes. All we really need is PAL and NTSC up to Super Hires. Plus DblPAL and DblNTSC possibly. Most of the others were used in Workbench applications and even RTG would be used over double modes when available. Exception would be for double sample rates. The rest aren't useful anymore and would be made redundant by internal scan doubling anyway.

However, that site lists Multiscan Productivity as being 1280 across on ECS. I don't recall this one. Even on my A1200 the most I got out of ScreenMode Prefs was 640 across basline for VGA Multiscan Productivity modes.

As to animations, it was specifically for playing back on Amiga, so other formats didn't matter in the same regard. And lossy formats like MPEG and AVI are for real video with sound. Which Amiga anims were not in general. They never progressed to proper true colour modes with sound since the Amiga hardware never got that far, even with RTG. Limited to HAM8 or 256 colours, they are more suitable for GIF anims or APNG. Aside from HAM, Amiga anims aren't lossy.

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Posted on 22-Oct-2019 6:57:41
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You’re mixing up animation with video playback - different things.

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800x600 8bit bitplane (8 bitplanes) non interlaced mode will be enough.
For software that not work with RTG.


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When can we expect to see AOS4 running on this thing?

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certainly aeon has already appointed a development team lead and everything has been arranged, so any time now.

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@kolla

That's because in the subject I was replying to, it was talking about exporting an anim from PPaint as an AVI/MPEG. So the anim could be play back as a video elsewhere.

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@thread

I wonder if any "FPGA Amiga" maker is planning to have mini-ITX size board with a CPU slot?

(trevor might have a few extra P1022 chips for turbocard implementation ... and CPU slot might be usable also for a monster AAA/Hombre+68090 build...)

hmmm..... "68K Bus Expansion"
https://wiki.apollo-accelerators.com/doku.php/vampire:vsa-v4:peripherals

"All 68K signals are available in this socket.
Theoretically, a Zorro II bridge could be built for this socket, which would allow connecting Zorro cards to the Vampire."

I imagine that should be 32bit wide and could be used as CPU or GPU expansion.

**********
Another crazy step:
https://www.bigbookofamigahardware.com/bboah/product.aspx?id=41

Vampire on PCIe x1 card?
"Real classic" on
-a dumb passive busboard?
-AOS4 machine?
-MorphOS machine?
-AAA audio and retro videomodes for NG Amigas?

Yes.

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A34 Gunnar gave away Vampire V4 bundle with pirated software.
Posted on 8-Nov-2019 18:29:04
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https://amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2019-11-00011-EN.html

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Posted on 8-Nov-2019 19:26:26
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Their "peculiar" stance to IP was known for some time, so nothing new or surprising.

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Posted on 8-Nov-2019 19:38:36
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Well said. Considering the litigation at play I really don't understsnd the Apollo Team risking litigation from H&P and Cloanto by distributing copyrighted Roms and OS software. CoffinOS without proper licenses is a disgrace IMHO.

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Posted on 8-Nov-2019 20:26:34
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risking litigation from H&P and Cloanto by distributing copyrighted Roms and OS software


Gunnar from the linked article:
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Every V4 has a Cloanto OS license.


So I don't know what your concern about Cloanto is in this regard?

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I believe the license is just for the kickstart, not the entire OS - whatever "Cloanto OS" is supposed to mean - 3.X?

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@kolla

As Gunnar also said:

Quote:
It is correct that the V4 came in Neuss with OS licenses from Cloanto. We are in friendly contact with both Timothy and Mike. Both like to sell us OS licenses. But even purchased licenses may not guarantee that the license is really valid.


Translated, but seems to make sense in an Amiga sort of way.

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Posted on 8-Nov-2019 20:45:51
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@number6

Quote:

number6 wrote:
@BigD

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risking litigation from H&P and Cloanto by distributing copyrighted Roms and OS software


Gunnar from the linked article:
Quote:
Every V4 has a Cloanto OS license.


So I don't know what your concern about Cloanto is in this regard?



In this case it is H&P, because Cloanto can't give a AOS3.9 licence.

And there is a lot of other pirated software on it, if someone wants to sue them, they will be in serious trouble.

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