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Re: Commodore bankruptcy maybe not been a bad thing.
Posted on 4-Dec-2019 17:06:55
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@nikosidis

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Remember Amiga users back in the day are from 40 and up.


Speak for yourself! Some of us are AGA Amigans having been bought inferior systems when we were too young to decide for ourselves

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Re: Commodore bankruptcy maybe not been a bad thing.
Posted on 5-Dec-2019 4:03:38
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Commodore bankruptcy maybe not been a bad thing.


I wonder how all the employees that lost their job felt about that.

Even though it shows people laughing and appearing to have a good time, I always thought that this video is actually permeated with an aura of sadness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaTjwo1ywcI

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Re: Commodore bankruptcy maybe not been a bad thing.
Posted on 5-Dec-2019 11:29:59
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@Nonefornow
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I always thought that this video is actually permeated with an aura of sadness.

Well I feel the same and I believe it shouldn't be a surprise for anyone watching the documentary.

@fishy_fis
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Even the PSX Classic failed miserably, at half that price and it had 20x the userbase of the Amiga and is from a brand that is synonymous with gaming and "cool" to younger people.

PSX Classic actually had a 99 /$ MSRP so it's not half of what the user suggested. We're also talking about the (relatively) early stages of modern 3D graphics, which have arguably aged *very* bad compared to 2D and I believe this was a factor. I'm also not entirely convinced by the actual games selection in terms of quality but it was likely one hell of a licencing issue...

I agree though that this utter failure makes an Amiga revival look like an highly unlikely event, but I'd argue that is the reason why, on the other hand, a cheaper, software-only solution with commodity hardware like the Raspberry Pi might be viable.

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Back on topic... despite being FAR from an ideal parent company, I believe that Commodore going bankrupt was the worst thing that could have happened to the Amiga. It basically meant the end for the mainstream platform it once was. Escom efforts were laughable at best (overpriced AGA machines, really?) and did never really take off... PowerPC could have been nice but unfortunately they went out of business too.

Maybe, just maybe, the Amiga could have been "saved" if, and only if, CBM went bust 2-3 years earlier and a buyout had happened *before* totally halting any company R&D activities.

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and a buyout had happened *before* totally halting any company R&D activities.


That would have to have been before Thomas Rattigan was fired and before the Hi-Toro Ranger chipset was cancelled. No other exciting R&D was conducted from that point (no ECS graphics was not exciting and AGA was too late for the US market). Ranger was a jump in graphics performance when it mattered. The R&D available in the 90s managed to produce an prototype A3000+ in 1991 but Commodore Executives STILL didn't want to sell the fruits of their R&D!!! The Amiga was always dead man walking with C= in control.

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Re: Commodore bankruptcy maybe not been a bad thing.
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@BigD

I was more or less implicitly referring to proper funding of the AAA chipset for example, and avoiding mistakes under the infamous Sydnes reign: canning the most successfull low-end system ever, trying to replace it with a cheaper version that ended up being more expensive, delaying/sabotaging AGA, etc.

I won't delve into details here though because I still have to review that period thanks to the awesome work by Brian Bagnall.

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Re: Commodore bankruptcy maybe not been a bad thing.
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I kinda of agree, I think amiga might of lost it community sprit it found with out its owners being around.

Plus I always liked being the underdog, but I just wished we were able to get the Amiga back to the market it was say in 95 to 98 when we still had big games coming out each month (Quake, myst, foundations, onescape,wasted dreams, naplam etc) and software titles were still relased/updated every month. I still think with the right people and ideas in place we could still get a little community like that I mean we got the very strong foundation now here already.

Im very proud to be part of this community and always impressed by how much we do push above our weight for the size of the market.

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