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deadwood 
Re: AxRuntime
Posted on 11-May-2020 19:27:03
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ppcamiga1 wrote:
AxRuntime has not memory protection


Actually it has.

Each Amiga program running on AxRuntime can at best kill itself. Not other applications. Not the operating system.


And AxRuntime runs Amiga tasks on all CPU cores, meaning Symmetric Multiprocessing.

And AxRuntime in 64-bit, meaning more than 2GB memory available for Amiga programs.

And all of that with breaking less than 0,5% APIs that are used by everyday desktop applications.

Dream come true, eh?

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Re: AxRuntime
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@deadwood

Next up - DOpus5 Magellan as native Linux desktop? ;)

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Re: AxRuntime
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Double edge sward, we finally have good desktop on Linux, but we also have the Linux baggage for good and worse.

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AP 
Re: AxRuntime
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@AP

I feel there should down vote system, on forums like this, negative post get fare too much attention.


True!

@BSzili: Ok, I see. Good point

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DFergFLA 
Re: AxRuntime
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@deadwood

Hi,

1st.. WOW, this sounds amazing.

I have a question. Just to keep things in context. I am not a developer. I am a Software QA Analyst. I would put my own code writing skills at about 2 or 3 on a scale of 10. I know enough to send a developers perfect, hard written code, packing back to it's maker in tears.

In one o post it was mentioned that a dev could use Linux libraries because they are linux binaries. Ok..

So, does that mean that if a dev does that, then that code would no longer be cross platform if the Linux libraries used were not also available on Amiga platforms?

I'm just curious, cause' from what I understand, see above, that wouldn't work... or does it?

Thanks

donald

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kolla 
Re: AxRuntime
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Double edge sward, we finally have good desktop on Linux, but we also have the Linux baggage for good and worse.

I have no problem with that, I know how to chose my own baggage carefully :)

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bison 
Re: AxRuntime
Posted on 12-May-2020 4:03:26
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@deadwood

I tried the media player with LM 19.3 MATE, and it worked as expected. LM 19.3 Xfce (clean boot from ISO) does not -- the menubar displays, but the menu items will not activate. Same problem with fluxbox and openbox. Xfce *does* work if I kill xfwm4 and replace it with marco wm, so apparently marco provides some service that xfwm4, openbox, and fluxbox do not.

I've seen things like this before. For example, the Chromium bookmarks toolbar uses floating menus so that they can extend above the toolbar if there are too many entries in them, and some window managers open them in unexpected places, or not at all.

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deadwood 
Re: AxRuntime
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DFergFLA wrote:
@deadwood
In one o post it was mentioned that a dev could use Linux libraries because they are linux binaries. Ok..

So, does that mean that if a dev does that, then that code would no longer be cross platform if the Linux libraries used were not also available on Amiga platforms?



You are correct. Such library would have to be ported to an Amiga platform for application to fully function. A benefit of such approach would be that a developer first tries out the library to see if it meets his needs and only ports it if it does.

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deadwood 
Re: AxRuntime
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@bison

Thanks. I submitted a bug report.

BTW, have you had a change to re-compile any software using the SDK?

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OlafS25 
Re: AxRuntime
Posted on 12-May-2020 13:35:56
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@deadwood

the API you use are identical the API of Aros?

there are lots of smaller and bigger differences between Aros, AmigaOS, MorphOS and 3.x

how do you solve it that every platform use something different for GUI?

AmigaOS uses reaction, Aros uses Zune, MorphOS uses MUI, 3.X uses lots of...,

Up to now I thought the only theoretical chance to solve that would be a cross-platform library who hides the differences

or you have to decide the kind of project (3.X, MorphOS, AmigaOS, AROS) with the advantage to use modern linux tools?

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sTix 
Re: AxRuntime
Posted on 12-May-2020 13:58:51
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@deadwood

Nice work. I tried the .deb but it looks like I'm missing libaxrt? All the other libs seem to be where they're supposed to be.

cc -o Calculator Calculator.o /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/startup.o /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/axrt.ld -specs=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/axrt.specs -lmuimaster -lintuition -ldos -llocale -lutility -lmui -lexec
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -laxrt
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
Makefile:16: recipe for target 'Calculator' failed
make: *** [Calculator] Error 1

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deadwood 
Re: AxRuntime
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@sTix

libaxrt comes with with the main runtime .deb. Hmm, I've assumed that anyone using the -dev .deb already has the "runtime" .deb installed...

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deadwood 
Re: AxRuntime
Posted on 12-May-2020 17:11:25
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@OlafS25

There is no magic I can do here. The available APIs will be limited to what is available in open source or what someone will create as open source components. It is the same challenge to what cross-platform developers have - they either go for common denominator or write parts which are custom per platform.

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Hypex 
Re: AxRuntime
Posted on 12-May-2020 18:32:12
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@deadwood

Wow that sounds like an amazing amount of work. Will it run OS4 apps faster than OS4 itself? (Currently.)

Will Odyssey compile and work better on Linux?

DOpus would be interesting. But Linux file paths differ from Amiga paths. Just like it differed from MacOS to OSX.

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sTix 
Re: AxRuntime
Posted on 12-May-2020 19:53:09
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@deadwood

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libaxrt comes with with the main runtime .deb. Hmm, I've assumed that anyone using the -dev .deb already has the "runtime" .deb installed...


Ah, makes sense. Thanks.

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nikosidis 
Re: AxRuntime
Posted on 12-May-2020 23:42:48
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This is cool Deadwood :) Hope to see great things happening using this. You already proved MPlayer running. I will try that later.

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NutsAboutAmiga 
Re: AxRuntime
Posted on 13-May-2020 6:23:58
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@Hypex

No by time you port your OS4 apps to AxRuntime (AROS API), they are no longer OS4 apps, they are then AxRuntime apps.

they wont behave the same under AxRuntime on top Linux kernel, my guess is things child threads will terminated at the same time as main thread, so few wared issues under OS4 will be a no issue under Linux. For things like that it can be useless as debugging tool.

You won’t be able to mix 68K libs, and PPC libs, or run 68K stuff side by side of AxRuntime, but you will gain memory Protection and SMP, IPv6, (updated netwrok stack), network server services, user permissions, tools you don’t have on AmigaOS.

Anyway, as Linux system sooner or later screws up because of dependencies, when you start using a Linux server as a desktop, but hey you don’t always get what you want, but you might get what you need.

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ferrels 
Re: AxRuntime
Posted on 13-May-2020 6:55:20
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This effort is destined to fail and it hasn't even really started. I can't think of a single use-case for Linux users or even Amiga users. No one is clamoring to run Amiga apps under Linux.
Compiling an Amiga app via the axrutime yields nothing more than a Linux app. Linux already has a well established library of every type of app and tool imaginable and they are all more robust and feature-rich than ANYTHING that could be ported over from the Amiga. As a professional coder who loves the Amiga for what it is, I'd never even consider porting 68K or PPC Amiga apps to run under Linux or Windows. This is so ass-backwards that it's ridiculous. What the Amiga is needs is the total opposite. The Amiga needs apps ported FROM Windows and Linux, such as a decent web browser and an office suite. Porting Amiga apps TO Linux is a total waste of time and effort.

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deadwood 
Re: AxRuntime
Posted on 13-May-2020 7:47:32
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@ferrels

As with everything in life, time will tell. Adoption will eventually prove or disprove the need for such product.

And if there is no need, well, world will still go on.

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Ami603 
Re: AxRuntime
Posted on 13-May-2020 10:38:49
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@ferrels

I disagree.
Being able to compile and test applications on a foreign OS would improve workflow for those tied to croscompiling on another machines.

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