here the cool design and specs.
Feel more amiga then a cold ng

https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-400-unit/?resellerType=home

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@tlosm

That one is cool. That's how a computer-in-keyboard should be done at present day. I guess I want one (even I have a Pi which I don't use). But there's no resellers. Also it could have maybe more colour choices.

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@tlosm

Said it for years now: port OS4.x to ARM and work out a deal to bundle it with a Pi and you'll shift a lot of copies and gain a ton of new hobby users. Even more opportunities with something like this too; OS4.x version in beige with a licensed AMIGA logo on there.

Falls on deaf ears though. Ploughing millions into dead-on-arrival PPC boards for a handful of users seems like a gross waste of time and money to me, but what do I know

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@tlosm

The RasPi 400 is certainly a tough act to follow with a 64-bit quad-core pushing 4 GB of RAM for less than $100 including PSU, mouse and video cable.

This carrier board and compute unit pack a similar punch with a single-lane PCIe slot replacing the USB 3 controller.

wow & that’s with Amiga colours too ...that’s what the new A1222 release should have looked like at Amiwest this year

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Falls on deaf ears though.

This is a chicken and egg problem. Ben Hermans has said they won't port OS4.x to ARM unless there's a sufficiently large user base first, but that's never going to happen unless they do an ARM (or amd64) port first.

The best that can be done right now is to install FS-UAE or Amiberry on a Pi 400 and emulate an A1200. (In my experience emulating an A4000 uses too much CPU. Emulating a PPC is probably similar, or worse.)

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@tlosm

Computer in keyboard? How boring! Real computers have pizza box form factor.

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Slash wrote: @tlosm Said it for years now: port OS4.x to ARM and work out a deal to bundle it with a Pi and you'll shift a lot of copies and gain a ton of new hobby users. Even more opportunities with something like this too; OS4.x version in beige with a licensed AMIGA logo on there. Falls on deaf ears though. Ploughing millions into dead-on-arrival PPC boards for a handful of users seems like a gross waste of time and money to me, but what do I know

Friend Slash,

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After all, would they have to p̶u̶r̶c̶h̶a̶s̶e̶ grave-rob Intellectual Property, if they that the intellect to create their own?

Simply put: they are entirely incapable of porting OSx.y to ARM. May the show go on with more twitching of shoulders, grinning of teeth, suiting of laws, appointment of directors!

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@tlosm
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Feel more amiga then a cold ng

Not at all to me.
To me this one feels like a C64 NG, a keyboard computer with an user-port equivalent. This is what the TheC64 lacks.
Unfortunately this pi 400 lacks TheC64's great keyboard and its adequate size.

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@tlosm

This would be a lovely (and reasonably priced, easily available) target platform for AmigaOS.

@bison

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Ben Hermans has said they won't port OS4.x to ARM unless there's a sufficiently large user base first.

Ah yes, there are too few Raspberry Pi owners around.

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The best that can be done right now is to install FS-UAE or Amiberry on a Pi 400 and emulate an A1200. (In my experience emulating an A4000 uses too much CPU. Emulating a PPC is probably similar, or worse.)

What's the difference between emulating an A1200 and emulating an A4000? It should be pretty much the same.

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@tlosm

It's nice but not near what an NG custom design should have looked like IMHO.
This looks more like an apple product of some sort.

I would have loved something compact that carried the A1200 legacy forward IF there was ever to be an all-in-one NG Amiga.

But as target HW this would be so cool, switch to new architecture should have been taken before the x1000 or x5000 though.

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Troels wrote: It's nice but not near what an NG custom design should have looked like IMHO. This looks more like an apple product of some sort.

You mean that company whose products are "NG" iteration after iteration, friend Troels?
Not that it actually looks like one.
Because it doesn't.
At all.

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I don't speak about any companies, expect for original Commodore and their A1200 design.

There is no NG Amigas with a good Amiga like design. The big box for X1000 was OK, but not especially Amiga like

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Ah yes, there are too few Raspberry Pi owners around.

Naaaaah, there are too many.

Unless it's niche, overpriced AND underpowered (by the way two or even worse just one out of the three features is not enough) it won't qualify as a viable target platform.

/s

for my test with PI4
i have Vulkan working in Linux ARM and Vulkan working in X86 (linux ) ...
yes my PI4 is full Exagear X86-64 3D and audio working too with wine 5 and Vulkan working in wine ... ohhh yes (haking is wornderfull :P) ... there i make uae run and run good.
Never test uae for linux , qemu ppc is slow . but dont test uae with ppc plugin.

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@tlosm

The Pi400 and Raspberry Pi 4 board shows exactly why there will be a constant struggle to attract fresh new people to the existing Amiga NG or MorphOS scenes.

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@Turrican3

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This would be a lovely (and reasonably priced, easily available) target platform for AmigaOS.

I agree. One could nitpick the details, but it's hardly worth it.

@kolla

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What's the difference between emulating an A1200 and emulating an A4000? It should be pretty much the same.

Now that you mention it, it does seem odd. Emulating an A4000 on my i5 system takes a single core up to 105% and holds it there. I don't remember this being the case a few years ago, but 99% of the time I'm emulating an A500 to play games, so I may not have noticed it.

I suppose there could be something wrong with my configuration, or something wrong with the version of FS-UAE in the Mint repository.

@outrun1978

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The Pi400 and Raspberry Pi 4 board shows exactly why there will be a constant struggle to attract fresh new people to the existing Amiga NG or MorphOS scenes.

Yeah, good point.

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