@Karlos

I think memory bandwidth was doubled

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@Karlos

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I drank the PPC kool aid for some time, but it soon became clear it wasn't the right choice, as PPC only systems began to emerge, riddled with flaws and sky high expensive.

There was a lot of momentum for PPC on desktop/home computers in the early to mid 90s. Apple clones probably helped, as did Microsoft's port of Windows NT.
There were also several architectural licensees(outside of Motorola and IBM) that designed custom CPUs based on PPC60x ISA. But CHRP never materialized outside IBM and Motorola systems and neither IBM or Motorola seemed to be all that interested in the PC market. When Apple killed the clones market it pretty much was the final straw... It is said Jobs wanted/planned the x86 switch as early as 1999 when Motorola failed to deliver on 500 MHz G4s. Even he knew the show was over.

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Yo, yo, yo. I'm the Amiga, and I'm here to school you on why I went from top dog to just a memory. I was the ultimate home computer back in the day, with sick multimedia capabilities and a user-friendly OS that was ahead of its time. But here's the thing, instead of utilizing the cutting-edge chunky pixel graphics mode, some developers chose to go with the more traditional planar graphics mode. And that, my friends, was a major factor in my downfall. See, chunky pixels were the future, but instead, some developers chose to focus on planar graphics, which were more detailed but slower. It was a cultural issue too. Everyone was focused on delivering the most detailed graphics, and chunky pixels were seen as outdated. But, what they didn't realize was that chunky pixels were faster and better for the type of work I was meant for. So let me break it down for you. I was a boss, but the decision to use planar graphics instead of chunky pixels caused me to fall behind the competition. It's like having a race car and only driving it in first gear. Don't make the same mistake, kids. In conclusion, I may not be on top anymore, but I'll always be remembered as a sick and influential computer system. My story serves as a reminder to make the most of what makes you unique. Don't get caught up in what's popular or in-style, and always stay true to what makes you special.

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@pixie

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always stay true to what makes you special

If "special" was in quotes then ppcamiga1 definitely does that.
He's completely and utterly unwavering in promoting what makes him "special".

In fact in the spirit of the modern day trend of adhering to quotas regardless of crippling personal issues I nominate him as the channel's "special" mascot/friend.

@ppcamiga1

I listen and obey, my master, my king, my god!

PS. Only a total jerk would misspell my name on purpose hoping to insult me that way.

@ppcamiga1

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In winter 1996 I sell first time my a1200 because upgrade to 68030 cost as much as switch to pentium 75 MHz.

You were able to get a Pentium PC for a few hundrded pounds in 1996?

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@pixie

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pixie wrote:@ppcamiga1 Well, it's indeed true, I asked my great pal ChatGPT to ask Amiga directly the reasons behind its dawnfall and you're right... Quote: … In conclusion, I may not be on top anymore, but I'll always be remembered as a sick and influential computer system. My story serves as a reminder to make the most of what makes you unique. Don't get caught up in what's popular or in-style, and always stay true to what makes you special.

Word.

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@michalsc

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PS. Only a total jerk would misspell my name on purpose hoping to insult me that way.

In his Polish chauvinist way, he is spelling it “correctly”.

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@Rob

Yes. Sad but true.
Money from selling Amiga 1200 plus price of Blizzard 1230 was enough
to buy noname pc AMD K5 75 MHz 16 MB RAM S3Virge cheapest sound card cheapest 14 inch color monitor without windows.
So I switch to pc.

@ppcamiga1

So why aren't you now on a PC forum telling them the benefits of PPC based PeeCees? Just asking.

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@ppcamiga1

So you got £600+ for the sale of the A1200?

@Rob

it is your problem if you pay too much for pc

@ppcamiga1

I had neither the money or inclination to buy a PC back then, so i don't think I was a factor in the pricing of such hardware.

@BigD

pc is computer with x86 or arm
computer with out x86 or arm is not pc

I use ppc Amiga because it is as my a1200 but better because faster

I'm not interested in how fast c2p is on 040 or 060

060 was released after Commodore bankruptcy so why bother?

040 was too expensive,
people who buy it in Commodore times probably already have enough money to buy graphic card so again why bother?

fast c2p was not available on affordable Amiga computers
in Commodore times I don't miss it.

I'm happy I don't have to use AGA anymore.
AGA was little better than ECS but it was too little too late.

@ppcamiga1

None of my ARM systems are PCs, the only ARM product I can think of that somewhat qualifies is the RiscPC series from Acorn. And current macs. But then PPC systems are PCs too, like older macs, Pegasos, all «NG» OS4 systems, CHRP and PREP systems... remember those?

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@ppcamiga1

So you apparently sold your A1200 to buy a PC in 1996.

When did you get a PPC system, what sort and when was that?

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@ppcamiga1

68060 was released after the demise of Commodore but while Amiga was still changing owners. You could buy a brand new 68060 based 4000T built under Escom and later QuickPak.

So it's fair to say that the 68060 is part of the official line of Amiga processors.

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@ppcamiga1

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pc is computer with x86 or arm

Nope AmigaOnes ARE PCs. For goodness sake you're attacking 060 chips as well as AGA!!! There are far more 060 and AGA owners than those that invested in exotic PPC machines! I repeat why aren't you peddling your PPC religion to Linux users on a PC forum?

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@BigD

Because apple is the only company stupid enough to break their own software library. they so opportunity screw their own customers, by selling the same software twice. Now they are on it again.

Microsoft won’t do that, Linux is tiny on desktop market, they are everywhere also on Power and PowerPC. Naturally larger market dictates and get most investment, but as we have talked about before INTEL/AMD chips has a problem, and we can see it in competition with ARM.

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