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Re: What if the rumor is true?
Posted on 31-May-2022 19:29:28
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@BigD

Not only would restarting the F-22 be easier, it would probably only cost half as much!

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Unfortunately, at the beginning that willl be true. Yes there is actually new PPC hardware available that is actually reasonable priced. NXP does know how to charge. I am not going into detail about these boards, but they will soon be available.

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Yes there is actually new PPC hardware available that is actually reasonable priced


But it has the performance of an 2008 Intel Atom.

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Re: What if the rumor is true?
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I like my PS3 and iBook G4 but no AmigaOS for them!

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Re: What if the rumor is true?
Posted on 31-May-2022 20:56:08
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Yes, PS3 be a nice computer for AmigaOS4, but also the XBOX2, and Nintendo Wii.

The problem with the PS3, is that it has a NVIDIA gpu, and there is no
NVIDIA support for AmigaOS. ATI/AMD is more Open, its easier to support their hardware.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2lhwb_OckQ

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Re: What if the rumor is true?
Posted on 31-May-2022 21:07:10
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@BigD

Computers that use G4 pretty old and outdated, when using old tech you get slow bus speed and memory speed, its not just about CPU, and really want a supported GPU for 3D and Video acceleration.

When look old Mac hardware there is lot different GPU’s, while morphos lists a lot machines as compatible, its not always the case, my dads old MacMini G4 was not fully support, it had no overlay support, and video output was glitchy. Actually, a disappointment, and it was not posible to replace the GPU, or attach different graphic card, to fix it.

I’m pretty sure that be the case for AmigaOS4.1 also if they tried to support that kind of hardware.

The computers always a problem was Compaq’s and the Amiga’s the they tried put all on the motherboard, there configuration issue or technical issue, some standard not included.

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Thanks. I wasn't really proposing porting AmigaOS to old Macs or a 2006 console at this late stage. I honestly don't now what Trevor's next move is! Probably publishing his co-written book and cheering Matthew Leaman's on from the sidelines for a bit.

A poem I wrote that best sums it up:

System 54 can you overwrite OS4?
Will Hyperion be no more?
Can Olaf face life without OS3.2,
Or will Mike Batillana come through for you?
Does any of this matter anyway?
Retro Games Ltd have shown the way!
A mini console and a bit of fun,
Forget about the disappointment that was AmigaOne!

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Re: What if the rumor is true?
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I beg to disagree with you. It is truly a massive task. This is why it has taken several years to do this. The graphics library is the prime reason why this project has taken place in the first place. It has been totally replaced.

So, are you telling that they have a NEW graphics.library, completely written from scratch? Care to give some proof?
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Exec has been totally replaced with an entirely new kernel.

Exec is on Trevor's hands, so this isn't a problem.
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This includes a great many of the components that you are talking about.

Those are only two (IIF the graphics.library was really completely rewritten): many others are missing.
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On top of that, he has introduced some major new components such as energy management to further complicate things. He is investing a considerable amount of money in this project. He has issued contracts in the six figure range for this project.

If this were a project started by amateur coders, it would have been very difficult to complete. He has however hired a group of very competant coders to do the bulk of the heavy lifting. He seems to have adequate financial resources to get this done.

How do you know it?

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Are you saying that V54 is PPC only? That's crazy.

The only way this makes sense is if they want to unload all those A1222 boards before moving on to something better.

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Re: What if the rumor is true?
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as far as I know only the GFX cards supports power management, the RX cards can spin up and down fans, while drivers for the HD cards can’t. power management for the monitors, is a old feature, part of AmigaOS4.x before AEON. It basically puts monitor into standby when signal is lost/cut. insted of the screensaver.

there is hard / soft reboot, not sure if that counts.

There is no hibernation or standby mode.

There is no battery management, how ever ACUBE-SYSTEMS has some GPIO pins and I2C connectors can be used for this maybe, that can be possible on X1000/X5000 as well, but think this pins are connected to the XMOS chip, so not as easy to get at, USB can be option for Battery monitoring, as well as RS232 port, however that often used for debugging. The X1000 does support clocking up or down the CPU from CFE.
There is boost features for Sam460 cards, to enable or disable some features.

There is no need for battery management before there is a laptop that supports it, and is only useful for alerts, until standby or hibernation support is added, controlling the GPU/CPU clock speed can be useful at low battery power.

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When I posted that this morning, I didn't know what I know now. The intent originally was to support the X series of computers and theSAM 460 board. They then would move to a modern processor. By that I mean either an Intel or AMD processor. Perhaps I did not make myself clear on that point. There is also the possibility for them to move to POWER 9. Having had a good look at Raptor Engineering's web site I think we can discount that. Many of the components of V54 will most probably run under emulation initially.

V54 will not run on the A1222 according to everyone I spoke to. Trevor has firmly insisted that it only run OS 4.1. It may not even run Linux. Incidentally, to the best of my knowledge there are only a few pre production boards available. Every indication that I have seen is that Tabor is unlikely to ship.

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Every indication that I have seen is that Tabor is unlikely to ship.

That would be my guess.

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as far as I know only the GFX cards supports power management, the RX cards can spin up and down fans, while drivers for the HD cards can’t. power management for the monitors, is a old feature, part of AmigaOS4.x before AEON. It basically puts monitor into standby when signal is lost/cut. insted of the screensaver.

So, that's all part of the graphics.library or something which Hyperion (not A-EON) has developed & available.
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there is hard / soft reboot, not sure if that counts.

It shouldn't be needed if the system boots at decent speedx.

I don't expect that it could boot in 1-2s, like my Amiga 1200 with hard drive, but shouldn't take longer than Linux.
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There is no hibernation or standby mode.

That's hard to achieve, because you've to deal with dynamic resources that might be disconnected (or new ones connected to) from the system.
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There is no battery management, how ever ACUBE-SYSTEMS has some GPIO pins and I2C connectors can be used for this maybe, that can be possible on X1000/X5000 as well, but think this pins are connected to the XMOS chip, so not as easy to get at, USB can be option for Battery monitoring, as well as RS232 port, however that often used for debugging.

Not needed, since there's no AmigaOne laptop.
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The X1000 does support clocking up or down the CPU from CFE.

Is there some dynamic CPU clock management?
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There is boost features for Sam460 cards, to enable or disable some features.

Tweaking the CPU to make it run faster?
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There is no need for battery management before there is a laptop that supports it, and is only useful for alerts, until standby or hibernation support is added, controlling the GPU/CPU clock speed can be useful at low battery power.

As above, if you have no laptop then it's not needed (no battery to control).

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When I posted that this morning, I didn't know what I know now. The intent originally was to support the X series of computers and theSAM 460 board. They then would move to a modern processor. By that I mean either an Intel or AMD processor. Perhaps I did not make myself clear on that point.

You're asking for the impossible here.

Again, care to report the source for this? You write a lot of things like you are an insider, but when I ask the sources you never reply: this looks suspicious.
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There is also the possibility for them to move to POWER 9. Having had a good look at Raptor Engineering's web site I think we can discount that. Many of the components of V54 will most probably run under emulation initially.

A POWER9 system shouldn't require any emulation (of what, anyway?)
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V54 will not run on the A1222 according to everyone I spoke to. Trevor has firmly insisted that it only run OS 4.1. It may not even run Linux.

Linux should be already running on the A1222.

Usually the OS4 port starts when the new system boots Linux, because you've a working system as a reference.
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Incidentally, to the best of my knowledge there are only a few pre production boards available.

It doesn't make sense to produce more boards if OS4 isn't yet ready.
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Every indication that I have seen is that Tabor is unlikely to ship.

Trevor has already invested a lot and allocated 1000 CPUs (AFAIR): I don't think that he wants/likes to lose his money...

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I finally got around to answering you. First I guess I'll start with the bad news. For all intents and purposes all development on the PPC has stopped. This obviously includes V54.

When they started selling the X5000/40 boards I realized what happened. Amigakit, probably sometime before Christmas--halted all development. It takes more than a little time to organize a selloff of assets which has been done. There are very few X5000/20's left to sell and I would guess about sixty or so X5000/40's to sell. This means that A-Eon has essentially left the PPC market. This obviously eliminates the need for further development.

In the light of the above, Trixie's comments on several posts make sense. There will be a newOS however. It won't run onPPC. I should add that I expect considerable upgrades to the Enhancer software and continuing support for the present group of users.

ForTABOR, the news is a little bit better. It appears that despite some little problems with the hardware it is basically ready to ship. The main problem now seems to be locating all the components it needs and organizing manufacturing. Whether or not it will be shipped will be for Trevor and Matthew to decide

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@Neuf

Sources.

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When they started selling the X5000/40 boards I realized what happened. Amigakit, probably sometime before Christmas--halted all development.


That's news to me! I can't see ANY evidence that the X5000/40 has been released beyond a select group of beta testers! Please back this up with links and facts!

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@BigD

I'm highly dubious of the claims of someone so clueless that they think Tabor/A1222 may not even be able to run Linux.

Linux on A1222.

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@thread

For what it is worth, information on OS4.x systems:

here

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I'm highly dubious of the claims of someone so clueless that they think Tabor/A1222 may not even be able to run Linux.

Linux on A1222.

He never reported sources to his very strange claims. 'til now.

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Thanks. So it's a fire sale without the sale on X5000/40!

"If you need help and you know how to find them, maybe you could buy an elitist pile of end of life PPC systems without proper OS support!"

"Also, please say that number6 sent you and have your 2K at the ready!"

Seriously though, the Relec case looks nice but this was not the way to launch the X5000/40 model IMHO! It feels like the end of road for AmigaOne (can we still call it that?) rather than a fanfare!

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