@bennymee

it is good to see, but I still think just by the sheer investment and work already done on Arm, I feel Arm is a better fit for Amiga, like I pointed out the board made for A500mini likly cost Retro game ltd no more than £30 to make, when your down at such a low cost mainly due to over production of chips in ARM market and the low end of what is required to run a Amiga system is so low, why ignore that.

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@amigang

If price is the most importent thing ARM is the best, lots of choice. Although there could be some problems after the Nvidia fail.

Speedwise, I prefer x64, single core performance is much better, you can build great systems, PCI Express is allready on those boards as good Radeon SI / RX support is allready done.
Large choice.

But it is interesting to see where Risc V is going to as it is royalty free.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/visionfive-2-risc-v-board
the vision5 2 is a risc V mini computer for around $50-60
more info here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykKnc86UtXg

@hardwaretech

Great news! Great price! Functional hardware! Shame about wifi.

Better not tell @ferrels

[quote]
ferrels wrote:

This architecture has been sitting at the same spot for the past 5 years, which is on some clown's desk on a sheet of paper. Do you realize that this architecture only exists on paper and that it will cost millions in order to produce just the engineering samples needed to design and test a full system? RISC-V is going nowhere and that's where it needs to stay.

@amigang

ARM makes more sense for emulation since it has much better software support, but for a native port that advantage does not exist, and the StarFive 2 looks promising.

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@matthey

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matthey wrote: 1999 32-bit Microcontroller Sales in units 1) ARM 151 million 2) Motorola 68k 94 million 3) MIPS 57 million 4) Hitachi SuperH 33 million 5) x86 29 million 6) PowerPC 10 million source: https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.29.1298&rep=rep1&type=pdf The 68k was still in 2nd place and unit sales were increasing faster than PPC despite practically no Motorola development.

Posting microcontroller unit sales are less useful when the Amiga is a desktop computer.

https://arstechnica.com/features/2005/12/total-share/8/
By 1998, x86 PCs were closing in on sales rates of 100 million units per year.

100 million units per year X86 PCs are unified as a single Firmware/HAL target platform, not just the CPU instruction set.

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2nd risc v computer -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=613yEF6SrNo

https://m.aliexpress.com/item/1005005142466936.html

Tiny RISCV WIFI6 BT5 module M0S (BL616) available from Alibaba!
384MHz core with P-extend, USB2.0 HS, in 10*11mm size, $1.99 if you use the coupon for a short time only! Otherwise it is $3.19.

@Hammer

A desktop computer that used a microcontroller most commonly used as embedded controller as CPU, that’s why it’s relevant.

Even back when Apple, Sharp, Atari, Apollo, Sun and CBM made desktop systems with 68k CPUs, most 68k chips went elsewhere, in all kinds of embedded systems, telcom boards, airplanes… I’ve even harvested EC030 chips from binned disk controllers for other architectures.

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@amigang

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amigang wrote: @bennymee it is good to see, but I still think just by the sheer investment and work already done on Arm, I feel Arm is a better fit for Amiga, like I pointed out the board made for A500mini likly cost Retro game ltd no more than £30 to make, when your down at such a low cost mainly due to over production of chips in ARM market and the low end of what is required to run a Amiga system is so low, why ignore that.

ARM is hurting its future, with the last decisions of the company.

@xe54

Quote:

xe54 wrote: @hardwaretech Great news! Great price! Functional hardware! Shame about wifi. Better not tell @ferrels Quote: ferrels wrote: This architecture has been sitting at the same spot for the past 5 years, which is on some clown's desk on a sheet of paper. Do you realize that this architecture only exists on paper and that it will cost millions in order to produce just the engineering samples needed to design and test a full system? RISC-V is going nowhere and that's where it needs to stay.

LOL

@kolla

Quote:

kolla wrote: @Hammer A desktop computer that used a microcontroller most commonly used as embedded controller as CPU, that’s why it’s relevant. Even back when Apple, Sharp, Atari, Apollo, Sun and CBM made desktop systems with 68k CPUs, most 68k chips went elsewhere, in all kinds of embedded systems, telcom boards, airplanes… I’ve even harvested EC030 chips from binned disk controllers for other architectures.

This.

Military grade?

https://www.espressif.com/en/news/ESP32-P4

"Powered by a dual-core RISC-V CPU with an AI instructions extension, an advanced memory subsystem, and integrated high-speed peripherals. ESP32-P4 is designed for high-performance applications that require strong security. In fact, ESP32-P4 aims to cater to the next era of embedded applications which will rely on solid support for rich Human-Machine Interfaces, efficient edge computing, and increased IO-connectivity requirements.

Powered by a dual-core RISC-V CPU running up to 400MHz, ESP32-P4 also supports single-precision FPU and AI extensions, thus providing all the necessary computational resources. In addition, ESP32-P4 integrates an LP-Core which can run up to 40MHz.

This “big-little” architecture is critical in terms of supporting ultra-low-power applications which may occasionally require high computing. In such scenarios, the HP cores can be kept down for most of the time, for the purpose of saving power."

Big Little! Looking forwards to some new arguments on here!

"ESP32-P4 has more than 50 programmable GPIOs, which is significantly more than those of any other Espressif SoC to date. ESP32-P4 supports all the commonly used peripherals, such as SPI, I2S, I2C, LED PWM, MCPWM, RMT, ADC, DAC, UART, and TWAITM. Further to this, ESP32-P4 supports USB OTG 2.0 HS, Ethernet, and SDIO Host 3.0 for high-speed connectivity."

Like Xena but actually useful!

Asus is also doing a small Risc 5 board with the Tinker 5:
https://tinker-board.asus.com/product/tinker-v.html?s=09