@bennymee

it is good to see, but I still think just by the sheer investment and work already done on Arm, I feel Arm is a better fit for Amiga, like I pointed out the board made for A500mini likly cost Retro game ltd no more than £30 to make, when your down at such a low cost mainly due to over production of chips in ARM market and the low end of what is required to run a Amiga system is so low, why ignore that.

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@amigang

If price is the most importent thing ARM is the best, lots of choice. Although there could be some problems after the Nvidia fail.

Speedwise, I prefer x64, single core performance is much better, you can build great systems, PCI Express is allready on those boards as good Radeon SI / RX support is allready done.
Large choice.

But it is interesting to see where Risc V is going to as it is royalty free.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/visionfive-2-risc-v-board
the vision5 2 is a risc V mini computer for around $50-60
more info here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykKnc86UtXg

@hardwaretech

Great news! Great price! Functional hardware! Shame about wifi.

Better not tell @ferrels

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ferrels wrote:

This architecture has been sitting at the same spot for the past 5 years, which is on some clown's desk on a sheet of paper. Do you realize that this architecture only exists on paper and that it will cost millions in order to produce just the engineering samples needed to design and test a full system? RISC-V is going nowhere and that's where it needs to stay.

@amigang

ARM makes more sense for emulation since it has much better software support, but for a native port that advantage does not exist, and the StarFive 2 looks promising.

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@matthey

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matthey wrote: 1999 32-bit Microcontroller Sales in units 1) ARM 151 million 2) Motorola 68k 94 million 3) MIPS 57 million 4) Hitachi SuperH 33 million 5) x86 29 million 6) PowerPC 10 million source: https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.29.1298&rep=rep1&type=pdf The 68k was still in 2nd place and unit sales were increasing faster than PPC despite practically no Motorola development.

Posting microcontroller unit sales are less useful when the Amiga is a desktop computer.

https://arstechnica.com/features/2005/12/total-share/8/
By 1998, x86 PCs were closing in on sales rates of 100 million units per year.

100 million units per year X86 PCs are unified as a single Firmware/HAL target platform, not just the CPU instruction set.

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2nd risc v computer -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=613yEF6SrNo

https://m.aliexpress.com/item/1005005142466936.html

Tiny RISCV WIFI6 BT5 module M0S (BL616) available from Alibaba!
384MHz core with P-extend, USB2.0 HS, in 10*11mm size, $1.99 if you use the coupon for a short time only! Otherwise it is $3.19.

@Hammer

A desktop computer that used a microcontroller most commonly used as embedded controller as CPU, that’s why it’s relevant.

Even back when Apple, Sharp, Atari, Apollo, Sun and CBM made desktop systems with 68k CPUs, most 68k chips went elsewhere, in all kinds of embedded systems, telcom boards, airplanes… I’ve even harvested EC030 chips from binned disk controllers for other architectures.

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@amigang

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amigang wrote: @bennymee it is good to see, but I still think just by the sheer investment and work already done on Arm, I feel Arm is a better fit for Amiga, like I pointed out the board made for A500mini likly cost Retro game ltd no more than £30 to make, when your down at such a low cost mainly due to over production of chips in ARM market and the low end of what is required to run a Amiga system is so low, why ignore that.

ARM is hurting its future, with the last decisions of the company.

@xe54

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xe54 wrote: @hardwaretech Great news! Great price! Functional hardware! Shame about wifi. Better not tell @ferrels Quote: ferrels wrote: This architecture has been sitting at the same spot for the past 5 years, which is on some clown's desk on a sheet of paper. Do you realize that this architecture only exists on paper and that it will cost millions in order to produce just the engineering samples needed to design and test a full system? RISC-V is going nowhere and that's where it needs to stay.

LOL

@kolla

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kolla wrote: @Hammer A desktop computer that used a microcontroller most commonly used as embedded controller as CPU, that’s why it’s relevant. Even back when Apple, Sharp, Atari, Apollo, Sun and CBM made desktop systems with 68k CPUs, most 68k chips went elsewhere, in all kinds of embedded systems, telcom boards, airplanes… I’ve even harvested EC030 chips from binned disk controllers for other architectures.

This.

Military grade?

https://www.espressif.com/en/news/ESP32-P4

"Powered by a dual-core RISC-V CPU with an AI instructions extension, an advanced memory subsystem, and integrated high-speed peripherals. ESP32-P4 is designed for high-performance applications that require strong security. In fact, ESP32-P4 aims to cater to the next era of embedded applications which will rely on solid support for rich Human-Machine Interfaces, efficient edge computing, and increased IO-connectivity requirements.

Powered by a dual-core RISC-V CPU running up to 400MHz, ESP32-P4 also supports single-precision FPU and AI extensions, thus providing all the necessary computational resources. In addition, ESP32-P4 integrates an LP-Core which can run up to 40MHz.

This “big-little” architecture is critical in terms of supporting ultra-low-power applications which may occasionally require high computing. In such scenarios, the HP cores can be kept down for most of the time, for the purpose of saving power."

Big Little! Looking forwards to some new arguments on here!

"ESP32-P4 has more than 50 programmable GPIOs, which is significantly more than those of any other Espressif SoC to date. ESP32-P4 supports all the commonly used peripherals, such as SPI, I2S, I2C, LED PWM, MCPWM, RMT, ADC, DAC, UART, and TWAITM. Further to this, ESP32-P4 supports USB OTG 2.0 HS, Ethernet, and SDIO Host 3.0 for high-speed connectivity."

Like Xena but actually useful!

Asus is also doing a small Risc 5 board with the Tinker 5:
https://tinker-board.asus.com/product/tinker-v.html?s=09

New RISC V board with FPGA that I told you in my other thread last year would be a good fit for AMIGA when it comes out - well it's here!

20K Luts
64Mbits SDRAM
breadboard friendly so can pop straight into Amiga
able to run RISCV and Linux and more through FPGA
marketed as a emulation machine so has software

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805394833478.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2usa4itemAdapt

Oh yeah, and its about a dollar with shipping.

@xe54

The problem is lack of general direction, instead of going forward, we keep reinvent the wheel.

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As I predicted 6 months ago, the same pathetic losers who believe that the Amiga will rise from the ashes to regain the desktop are still whipping themselves into a frenzy over another failed architecture believing that RISC will take off again.

Now that these RISC boards are actually being produced, as many have predicted including me, the performance is laughable. Even the best of these junk SBCs perform as badly as an rPi 3 yet command a price of top-performing ARM SBCs such as the rPi 4 and Orange Pi 5.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised by any of this as this community is known for its mental defectives who are willing to pay boutique prices for EOL hardware and software that performs like it's 1998.

I'll check AWorld again in another six months and I predict that the same 5 lunatics will still be here waiting and still claiming that the Amiga will retake the desktop and claiming that RISC will be a force to be reckoned with.

Enjoy stroking each other while I'm away!

@ferrels

By then you might see a tang nano 20k plugged onto a raspberry pi, with minimig chipset on the FPGA, minimig firmware on the RISC-V, and Emu68 on the RPi.

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@ferrels

Your original prediction :

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This architecture has been sitting at the same spot for the past 5 years, which is on some clown's desk on a sheet of paper. Do you realize that this architecture only exists on paper and that it will cost millions in order to produce just the engineering samples needed to design and test a full system? RISC-V is going nowhere and that's where it needs to stay.

Your updated prediction :

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Now that these RISC boards are actually being produced, as many have predicted including me, the performance is laughable. Even the best of these junk SBCs perform as badly as an rPi 3 yet command a price of top-performing ARM SBCs such as the rPi 4 and Orange Pi 5.

Seemingly unaware that you are replying to a link of an already available board capable, and aimed at, emulating retro computers and arcade machines.

It's less than a dollar (the PIs you mentioned for comparison are currently going for well over $100). The FPGA on this means it can emulate hardware so is far more suitable for emulating computers with custom chipsets like the Amiga.

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As I predicted 6 months ago, the same pathetic losers who believe that the Amiga will rise from the ashes to regain the desktop are still whipping themselves into a frenzy over another failed architecture believing that RISC will take off again.

Although your feet are always clean, you must be tired of their taste?

The most hilarious thing is that Steven Ferrel is supposed to work on the embedded market, but he doesn't know how it's going and what's happening there.

He's living on a cave... and only knows... "bats".

@NutsAboutAmiga

The standard for any hardware in 2023 is, "Does it run DOOM?"

I would like that to be, "Does it run AmigaOS?"

The AmigaAnywhere we wanted all along.