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Hans 
Re: Commodore Amiga Global Alliance
Posted on 4-Jun-2023 5:16:34
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@eliyahu

What's the opinion of the companies who currently own AmigaOS' IP and copyrights? The AGA initiative won't get far if the IP owners aren't on board.

It would be awesome if AGA could buy up all the companies involve, end the pointless legal spats, and finally get some vision back into actual AmigaOS development.

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Trixie 
Re: Commodore Amiga Global Alliance
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@Hans

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It would be awesome if AGA could buy up all the companies involved

If someone has to resort to digital begging through a crowd-funding campaign to even get started, I doubt they'll ever have enough money for such a buy-out.

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and finally get some vision back

When so many people still have to ask what the AGA is good for (like they do), when David has to give AGA presentations only to meet with lukewarm and polite reactions (like he does), then there is clearly no vision to be communicated.

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agami 
Re: Commodore Amiga Global Alliance
Posted on 4-Jun-2023 7:48:41
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@eliyahu

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Mr. Pleasance has opened a Kickstarter campaign to fund his AGA initiative. It looks like they are currently trying to raise GBP 15,000.

Do you mean to tell me that all those business and personal subscriptions do not add up to the required seed funding?

Colour me shocked.

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kolla 
Re: Commodore Amiga Global Alliance
Posted on 4-Jun-2023 7:48:57
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@Hans

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Hans wrote:

It would be awesome if AGA could buy up all the companies involve, end the pointless legal spats, and finally get some vision back into actual AmigaOS development.


Essentially what Cloanto has been busy doing, or at least trying to do.

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Re: Commodore Amiga Global Alliance
Posted on 4-Jun-2023 10:08:39
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@Trixie

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Trixie wrote:

If someone has to resort to digital begging through a crowd-funding campaign to even get started, I doubt they'll ever have enough money for such a buy-out.



Well it didn't work 30 years ago when he had a C&P plan and NOT the millions, so it for sure most work now with 3 copper pieces and a button.

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Hans 
Re: Commodore Amiga Global Alliance
Posted on 4-Jun-2023 12:09:24
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@Trixie

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When so many people still have to ask what the AGA is good for (like they do), when David has to give AGA presentations only to meet with lukewarm and polite reactions (like he does), then there is clearly no vision to be communicated.

Yeah, I don't see any vision in the kickstarter page either. It's rather vague on what the funds will be used for. That gets me back to my first point: it's going to be very hard to do anything without the IP/brand owners on-board...

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number6 
Re: Commodore Amiga Global Alliance
Posted on 4-Jun-2023 12:40:45
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@Hans

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That gets me back to my first point: it's going to be very hard to do anything without the IP/brand owners on-board...


First the courts will have to decide who that/those IP/brand owner/s even are.

Likely they can sponsor an initiative, much like they do with the shows, but that's about all the support they could offer...for now.

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eliyahu 
Re: Commodore Amiga Global Alliance
Posted on 4-Jun-2023 14:19:21
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@number6

Shouldn't be too much longer. Now that the court dismissed the bulk of Hyperion's request for Cloanto to pay its legal bills, their attorney has now petitioned the court to be removed from the case. Looks like Hyperion is out of money.

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Kronos 
Re: Commodore Amiga Global Alliance
Posted on 4-Jun-2023 14:21:30
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@eliyahu

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Looks like Hyperion is out of money.

-- eliyahu


Yeah, 1st time we hear that...


Even if, 100% someone will find a way to drag it on for another decade with (almost) no money involved.

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Re: Commodore Amiga Global Alliance
Posted on 4-Jun-2023 16:50:56
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@eliyahu

Yes, but Hyperion attorneys change constantly. So when another resigns...
We simply call that a Saturday.

Anyway, who is to say that due to appeal a different attorney would be required.

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OlafS25 
Re: Commodore Amiga Global Alliance
Posted on 5-Jun-2023 13:28:32
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@eliyahu

that would solve it finally. We will see. It does not look like the amigaos dev team can deliver another version of 3.X soon that brings enough money to continue with the lawsuit

regarding kickstarter... it seems the guy is flooding all retro sites with this

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RobertB 
Re: Commodore Amiga Global Alliance
Posted on 12-Jun-2023 16:46:18
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To his great regret, David has cancelled the AGA initiative.

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Acill 
Re: Commodore Amiga Global Alliance
Posted on 12-Jun-2023 18:43:33
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I would have liked to at least see it get a chance. Sure we have most all this free, but none of it is coordinated and in one place. I am just sad to see the Amiga and all the efforts all over the place personally. Its hard to get anything done with so much coming from so many directions all the time.

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eliyahu 
Re: Commodore Amiga Global Alliance
Posted on 12-Jun-2023 18:51:30
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@Acill

Perhaps this will re-launch later with more clearly defined goals and better marketing. I'm sure Mr. Pleasance was in earnest, but things just hadn't been presented particularly well. Plus the start of his web site wasn't terribly encouraging.

With a rethink and a little more preparation, this could still launch successfully.

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OlafS25 
Re: Commodore Amiga Global Alliance
Posted on 12-Jun-2023 21:11:39
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@RobertB

he only avoided the fail of the kickstarter

at first all who are interested join so you get more supporters very fast. Then it slows down or even stagnates. The kickstarter already was in this state and would have never got even near to the kickstarter goals.

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amigang 
Re: Commodore Amiga Global Alliance
Posted on 12-Jun-2023 21:46:42
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@OlafS25

Im glad he listened to the feedback, its kinda a shame he pulled the plug on the whole idea, I mean he did raise over 2000 on the Kickstarter and taken money privately for it too, that more than enough money to get a web site made and even have some over to invest in projects. I think that what was most odd thing about it, saying he needed 15000 to get the project going.

But overall likely for the best, the website is not really needed there are plenty of resource out there, what I think we really need in the Amiga community is the lawsuit to be over and the legal right holders to just work with the community more and help with project not hinder. Vampire project is a perfect example, where it would of been nice if the devs had been allowed to work and improve the os and maybe sell the stand alone system with official support. As it is, aros 68k gets a nice bump in development.

Again Amikit, Cloanto allowed the project but wont allow for Kickstarter to be included, even if a license fee was paid with each copy, if would just make the setup/install that much easier, but for what ever reason they dont want to.

Its these and so many other little project that have been messed around with that I just wish there was a little bit more willingness to work together to improve the platform.

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OlafS25 
Re: Commodore Amiga Global Alliance
Posted on 12-Jun-2023 21:57:28
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@amigang

my personal view there is after the legal situation is solved all parties should come together (or make a online conference) and work together. If there is one brand again (amiga) that can be used for different products then a common marketing platform makes sense. For example you go on retro fairy with a common marketing, common logo and give informations to interested people, part of it is a common website and social marketing.

I do not see what this kickstarter would have helped except bringing some money and popularity to a certain person.

It is in my view not the right time and it needs a real concept and support by the community

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BigD 
Re: Commodore Amiga Global Alliance
Posted on 12-Jun-2023 22:16:34
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@RobertB

He should focus on one project at a time! His Amiga Vultures to Vampires book vol 2 almost reached vapourware status due to delays and goodwill only gets you so far!

Wanting more investment when it's unclear the previous venture had been actually delivered to fruition is unwise.

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amigang 
Re: Commodore Amiga Global Alliance
Posted on 16-Jun-2023 17:43:18
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just did a little update to my little site for no reason what so ever..

https://amigang.com/community/


I may add pages like Community : Projects and Community : Meeting that keeps tracks of Amiga related Kickstarters and Shows. But that might require more work, for now enjoy.

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21stcentury 
Re: Commodore Amiga Global Alliance
Posted on 16-Jun-2023 18:05:18
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I appreciate David Pleasance and I regret that he couldn't buy Commodore in 1995 but there's nothing really interesting in this project at least for the Amiga future

About Cloanto : I don't like this company, they do nothing and they've never done anything. I can't understand why the community prefer Cloanto to Hyperion.

we can criticize Hyperion but they try to do something and to move forward : AmigaOS4, AmigaOS3 updates and They would certainly do more without Cloanto who lock everything.

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