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CPUs and chipsets and registers and benchmarks and ... IRRELEVANT Posted on 16-Nov-2022 0:33:42
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| Christ almighty, throughout my tenure here as Amigaworld protector and provider, one thing has never failed to consume my very soul: everyone's endless banter on CPUs, registers, benchmarks, PPC vs ARM vs X86, and so forth.
And the whole "Amiga on a PC? NEVER!" argument.
For people who seem to care a lot about "computing", you nimrods really don't seem to see one of the most important things about the evolution of computing - NO WAIT, THE MOST important thing about the evolution of computing:
It made the hardware irrelevant.
The age of hardware as a differentiator died in the late 1990s. Why? Because of the combined efforts of the whole computing world. Because it was the holy grail of computing for decades.
Yes there was a time when a game looked and ran in wildly different ways, on the Commodore 64, an Amiga with EGA, an amiga with AGA, a PC with EGA, with CGA, with a Soundblaster, with ADLib, on the SNES.
A billion custom audio and video chips and graphic modes and hardware quirks. And there was a charm to this, I WILL NOT DENY IT. But for the developers, for the industry as a whole? AGONY.
Today, you barely have to care about the hardware underpinning your device. A device will be faster or slower than another, but they all have 95% of the same capabilities.
And so, I'll say it again: IT'S THE OS, STUPID. That's where all the EXPERIENCE is, where the differentiation happens. AND PERHAPS, THE SHELL, the physical one, nimrods, I am not talking of CLI. The form factor. Tower, mini, laptop, tablet, you name it.
SO, when we hold that Amiga name close to our worn out hearts, we should be thinking of the OS, and the form factor.
Forget, Jesus lord and savior, the registers and instructions sets and half-nanoseconds benchmarks and endianness and all that minutiae jerking.
DISCUSS
/MEGA!
ps. the OS should be Aros, the form factor should be a keyboard-computer. IT IS DECIDED, YOU CAN LEAVE NOW. _________________ I HAVE ABS OF STEEL -- CAN YOU SEE ME? CAN YOU HEAR ME? OK FOR WORK |
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Re: CPUs and chipsets and registers and benchmarks and ... IRRELEVANT Posted on 16-Nov-2022 2:16:32
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ps. the OS should be Aros, the form factor should be a keyboard-computer. |
Yes but, to run 68K AROS on a Classic Amiga you need the relevant hardware. Last edited by Nonefornow on 16-Nov-2022 at 02:17 AM.
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Re: CPUs and chipsets and registers and benchmarks and ... IRRELEVANT Posted on 16-Nov-2022 2:27:09
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Re: CPUs and chipsets and registers and benchmarks and ... IRRELEVANT Posted on 16-Nov-2022 7:59:53
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I'm going to agree. The nature of the hardware has never been less relevant to the user experience than it is today. OSX users should know this better than anyone, given how they moved from PPC, to Intel and now to Arm.
Older OSes (and older iterations of modern OSes) are coupled to their hardware by virtue of a lack of abstraction from the metal. This made them fast and efficient at the time but equally less prepared for the future.
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Re: CPUs and chipsets and registers and benchmarks and ... IRRELEVANT Posted on 16-Nov-2022 10:36:43
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| @MEGA_RJ_MICAL Quote:
ps. the OS should be Aros |
This is the only part where I dare to disagree, simply because - in all fairness, of course - AROS, as experienced by me, is still unstable shit, no matter if running on well chosen hardware or hosted. Instead the OS should be Windows 11, launching a nicely configured WinUAE right after booting.
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Re: CPUs and chipsets and registers and benchmarks and ... IRRELEVANT Posted on 16-Nov-2022 16:15:37
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Yes but, to run 68K AROS on a Classic Amiga you need the relevant hardware. |
Good grief, do you not realize that classic 68K Amigas became irrelevant around 1994?
As for needing hardware, AROS 68K runs just fine under WinUAE: AROS under WINUAE
The point that MEGA_RJ_MICAL made when he started this thread seems to have completely escaped you. |
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Re: CPUs and chipsets and registers and benchmarks and ... IRRELEVANT Posted on 16-Nov-2022 16:30:01
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AROS IS the future, because AROS is not under control of anybody and under control of anybody at the same Time!
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Re: CPUs and chipsets and registers and benchmarks and ... IRRELEVANT Posted on 16-Nov-2022 17:01:13
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"shit" is not a real nice wording. On 68k I also use this "shit" and it is pretty stable and compatible and I blow AmigaOS featurewise out of the window. But everybody to its own. Regarding Aros running on X86, experiences seem to be very different, some say it is stable, others like you say not. Perhaps wrong drivers, wrong hardware, wrong configuration. I see future in the combination with linux and then most of the problems are solved. |
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Re: CPUs and chipsets and registers and benchmarks and ... IRRELEVANT Posted on 16-Nov-2022 17:03:47
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68k as retro branch will grow in next years for sure. But if we want to get some more users outside of our bubble we need something that is more useable in todays terms |
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Re: CPUs and chipsets and registers and benchmarks and ... IRRELEVANT Posted on 16-Nov-2022 17:09:30
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Re: CPUs and chipsets and registers and benchmarks and ... IRRELEVANT Posted on 16-Nov-2022 17:09:50
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People in "real world" use devices for lots of different purposes. Most known device of course are smartphones but today everything is a computer, up to cars. And yes most people use the devices without knowing hardware or even OS. Hardware is today cheap and plentyful so software is much more important for most people. But here we talk about the "amiga bubble", hardware here is still extremely important. For some even FPGA based solutions are not real enough. So we have two different markets... the retro market that is what most current amiga users are interested and the world outside. |
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Re: CPUs and chipsets and registers and benchmarks and ... IRRELEVANT Posted on 16-Nov-2022 17:10:30
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Re: CPUs and chipsets and registers and benchmarks and ... IRRELEVANT Posted on 16-Nov-2022 17:16:24
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@OlafS25
But here we talk about the "amiga bubble", hardware here is still extremely important. For some even FPGA based solutions are not real enough. So we have two different markets... the retro market that is what most current amiga users are interested and the world outside. |
When our local friendly nimrods blather endless rigamaroles about cpus, chipsets, opcodes and registers, they are not pining for retro experiences, they're talking about some delirious future where a quarter of megahertz makes the difference in crowing a platform or another for the next great NG amiga X9999 that will resurrect Jay Miner and his dog and crash Microsoft's and Apple's stock.
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Re: CPUs and chipsets and registers and benchmarks and ... IRRELEVANT Posted on 16-Nov-2022 17:19:40
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I do not read that normally. That is rather abstract discussions, be true or not. Far away from experience of normal users and even developers. |
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Re: CPUs and chipsets and registers and benchmarks and ... IRRELEVANT Posted on 16-Nov-2022 17:59:33
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| @MEGA_RJ_MICAL Quote:
How does this detract or add from the argument? |
@ferrels Quote:
Good grief, do you not realize that classic 68K Amigas became irrelevant around 1994? |
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The point that MEGA_RJ_MICAL made when he started this thread seems to have completely escaped you. |
In reply to your comments above, please note that MEGA_RJ_MICAL wrote
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SO, when we hold that Amiga name close to our worn out hearts, we should be thinking of the OS, and the form factor. |
It just happens that the Amiga name is the classic 68K Amigas. |
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Re: CPUs and chipsets and registers and benchmarks and ... IRRELEVANT Posted on 16-Nov-2022 18:14:48
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You can`t satisfy anybody.. try what you can do best get your niche and satisfy yourself. There is no reason for doubts in what you do. Go on your way and in what you believe.
Auch der Holzweg führt irgendwohin! Sorry der musste raus!
Lass die guten Gefühle gegenüber den schlechten gewinnen was Dein Leben und Amiga und AROS angeht!
Let the good feelings win against the bad feelings regarding your life. Amiga and AROS! Last edited by QBit on 16-Nov-2022 at 06:19 PM.
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Re: CPUs and chipsets and registers and benchmarks and ... IRRELEVANT Posted on 16-Nov-2022 18:30:16
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People argue about everything even if it`s a dumb stick of wood- Although Amiga seems to be dead it had a ground breaking influence on Computers in General anyway. Amiga was important and people still love it and talk about it. Just see youtube. There are countless Amiga related Videos and they seem to go deeper to the ground than PC an Mac related Videos!
Only Amiga makes it possible! That`s it!
Come on is there a Song where PCs or Macs or Ipads or Iphones or Smartphones in General got besung? Is there? Come on! *lol* Last edited by QBit on 16-Nov-2022 at 06:34 PM. Last edited by QBit on 16-Nov-2022 at 06:33 PM.
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Re: CPUs and chipsets and registers and benchmarks and ... IRRELEVANT Posted on 16-Nov-2022 19:33:02
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WoW !!! This is your First Post that made sense !
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Re: CPUs and chipsets and registers and benchmarks and ... IRRELEVANT Posted on 16-Nov-2022 22:45:36
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OlafS25 wrote: @kolla
say what? |
Say what this something is, that is needed for 68k to be more usable in today’s terms.
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need something that is more useable in todays terms |
Last edited by kolla on 16-Nov-2022 at 10:46 PM.
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Re: CPUs and chipsets and registers and benchmarks and ... IRRELEVANT Posted on 16-Nov-2022 23:12:29
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