I’m curious to know what the state of new generation Amiga hardware is? What’s the latest with the A1222 from Aeon?

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AmigaMac wrote: I’m curious to know what the state of new generation Amiga hardware is? What’s the latest with the A1222 from Aeon?

Two more weeks.

But seriously, the plan for some inexplicable reason is to push forward and release the Tabor A1 machines. Some time in late 2023, or don’t be surprised if it is in 2024.

Few remaining X5000/40 machines are available for purchase.

In the non-PPC hardware arena, we have V4 FPGA 68080 + SAGA solutions from Apollo still being churned out. Best experienced with AROS 68k, but if you’re a purist you can run Amiga OS 3.x

The PiStorm32 solution running the excellent emu68 is another great way to boost the speed of an OG Amiga. My local electronics e-tailer (Australia) just emailed me the other day notifying me they have stock of R Pi CM 4 boards.

On the fringes of what one might consider the realm of new generation Amiga hardware, the AxRuntime work by deadw00d is progressing well toward providing a soft landing for Amiga OS software on primarily x86 Linux.

MorphOS are quietly working on a port away from PPC. My money is still on x86, but there are some whispers that it might be ARM.

And back to A-Eon, Trev has also expressed interest in moving to some custom ARM based solution because he would hate for Amiga(One) to just be a “PC”.
I guess he hasn’t cracked open the case and looked inside of his X5000.

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Not coming from A-Eon, but from a collaboration between the not-for-profit PowerProgressCommunity association and ACube Systems, we could get a PowerPC notebook in the not so distant future (early 2024?). Prices are yet to be defined, it will not be a cheap piece of hardwaren for sure.

You may have a look on a recent post reporting on the preliminary electrical results of the first prototypes at
https://www.powerpc-notebook.org/2023/02/prototypes-testing-results/

The board is based on the NXP T2080 CPU, clocked at 1.8Ghz, it has 4 physical cores providing 8 threads, and it has altivec. It is Freescale BookE CPU e6500 (see https://docs.kernel.org/powerpc/cpu_families.html). This CPU is the successor of the CPU in the A-Eon X-5000, which is a NXP P5020/5040 and the main difference is that the T2080 has Altivec whereas the P5020/5040 does not.

Curious about the performance of the T2080 CPU?
Have a look at the video made using an NXP DevKit based on the T2080 at
https://www.youtube.com/@PowerProgressCommunity/videos

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@agami

Thanks for the detailed info on what’s out there.

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we could get a PowerPC notebook in the not so distant future (early 2024?)

And we could get a port of AmigaOS 4 to it in the somewhat distant n e v e r.

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AmigaMac wrote: @agami Thanks for the detailed info on what’s out there.

You’re welcome.

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Ah, nice! Thanks for the heads up.

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What’s the latest with the A1222 from Aeon?

@Hypex

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@Hypex

"Tabor: The god Of The Mountain"

The A1222 Plus is more like Prometheus: the pain of pecked liver for eternity!!

SORRY, THE PICTURE OF ROBERT PATTINSON FROM 'THE LIGHTHOUSE' IS TOO GRAPHIC
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virgolamobile wrote: @Amiga4000 Not coming from A-Eon, but from a collaboration between the not-for-profit PowerProgressCommunity association and ACube Systems, we could get a PowerPC notebook in the not so distant future (early 2024?). Prices are yet to be defined, it will not be a cheap piece of hardwaren for sure.

If they keep up the pace they have maintained for the past 8.5 years ... well that it has been 8.5 years should tell you all.

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Has it already been 8.5 years for the GHOST Tabor A1222 to be announced it will hit our shores? Interesting

Perhaps Acube Systems will come out with that notebook (1.8ghz baby) before the Tabor even sees light production status for the normal folk who did not decide to preorder.

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@Gebrochen

That notebook announcement is also from around 2016 and we never even saw a bootscreen of the system.

The Tabor has been showed for several years now, but they can't produce the boards for whatever reason knowledge/licence/costs.

Tabor movie from 2019 !
https://youtu.be/pnaM6SHQdeA

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Just another (four hundred and forty-) two weeks!

Sorry, I don't mean to sound negative. I hate it, in fact. I feel bad for the work and effort the developers have put into improving the OS, which seems like a complete zero sum endeavour while it remains chained to a hardware platform few can justify the cost of and that goes years without any new hardware being made.

The whole thing has stalled into what looks like an irretrievable stagnation. I think the NG concept is well and truly over. It has been for years. The only thing it really offered was the ability to run the OS and yet the OS has never been in a more hardware independent state than it is now (ok, AROS moreso but at the cost of compatibility). It also gave users a certain performance expectation. I get that. My A1 ran rings around my classic wether it was 68K or PPC code being executed. And that was just a G4, hobbled by a terrible motherboard.

I am sure there are a small set of NG enthusiasts who truly appreciate the PPC for what it is (was) and don't care about where things are going regardless and don't feel a particularly strong connection to the original platform. That's fine. I think that the vendors needed to realise that pandering to their needs as opposed to the wealth of people on classic and emulated machines makes no business sense at all.

I am such a broken record :(

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bennymee wrote: @Gebrochen That notebook announcement is also from around 2016 and we never even saw a bootscreen of the system.

It was actually started in late 2014, hence 8.5 years ago.

The Laptop is nowhere near to be ready to ship even when compared to the A1222 but if it gets there OS-development would be a little FUBARed from the start.

-> neither will ever ship as a proper consumer product.

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@Karlos

Switching architecture is imho also a no-go at the moment, the X5000 and A1222 are oke and there are some promises to fullfil like multicore and just bringing it to the stores (A1222).

Besided that, switching to another cpu needs a lot more development / time, much more then just do the two things in the first alinea.

Only the one pity thing is I sold my X1000, waiting for the A1222 :(


But hey, there is active development going on with OS3.2 and my Powerbook with MorphOS is also very usable with new version of the best webbrowser for the Amiga - Wayfarer :)
And WinUAE with OS4 on Windows machine gets faster after every new x64-cpu release!
Let's be happy what is here today.

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Besided that, switching to another cpu needs a lot more development / time

I am going to have to call that out. Moving from 68K to PPC took significant time and effort because much of the source material was written in assembler. However, it was ported to C. That's the heavy work done and dusted from an architectural perspective. Not a lot is particularly dependent on PPC.

I'm not downplaying the effort required to migrate the OS and toolchain and I'd agree that some targets are significantly more difficult from a backwards compatibility perspective than others. Fortunately, 68K doesn't seem to be one of them.

It's a moot point in the end. The 68K is experiencing a resurgence of interest. There's a big opportunity but I can already sense no interest in catching the boat at all, let alone missing it.

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Agreed!

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