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Re: The Best hardware and the best software 2023 Posted on 4-Nov-2023 15:39:11
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I wrote that emu68 is like using WinUAE. You said that's not true. |
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I replied that it is an emulator and you replied that it is a Hypervisor. |
It's pathetic your tentative to change the cards on the table. You said that this:
"emu68 is the driver"
and here I've correct you:
"Emu68 is NOT a driver. [...] Emu68 is an hypervisor which has the main purpose (but NOT only this) to implement a JIT 68k-to-ARM64 and run the translated blocks of code." Quote:
I gave you some links on what a hypervisor is, but you didn't continue the discussion. You remained vague without going further. |
Same as above. No, I've already replied you. Again:
Emu68 is an hypervisor which has the main purpose (but NOT only this) to implement a JIT 68k-to-ARM64 and run the translated blocks of code."
Is it a VM? Clearly NOT. And you know what? Because an hypervisor CAN help creating and running VMs but it's NOT limited to that.
Another example is how modern o.ses isolate REGULAR APPLICATIONS execution by running them on sandboxes. This happens by using... hypervisors.
Understood now?
In fact, see above what I've said about the Emu68, which proves it.
That should have been enough. Let's see if writing it again helps, but I have strong doubts about it. Quote:
What do you want to argue about? |
See above. Quote:
You should intervene if someone makes a mistake and explain why, but instead you remain vague, talk between the lines and don't give a definitive answer. |
It's not my problem if YOU aren't able to understand, since you completely lack knowledge about the argument.
This time I've added OTHER things, which were NOT necessary before if you had the right knowledge. Quote:
You have always done this on all the forums and social networks where you participate. The others are wrong, but you don't give a definitive and final answer supported by official documentation. |
BLAH BLAH BLAH. Now you go playing the victim role and spread pure LIES against me, of course reporting not a single link to prove your mud. Quote:
I asked you what Pistorm + emu68 is, but you haven't given an answer yet. |
I've already done and if you're so limited to understand it, then it's not my problem, but YOUR. Quote:
Look, if you want to continue this challenge of who is right, we can continue forever. |
Who cares. Do you want to continue showing how much ignorant and short mind are you? No problem! Go ahead.  |
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Re: The Best hardware and the best software 2023 Posted on 4-Nov-2023 15:40:51
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| @Seiya
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A hypervisor is software ^.
Case closed.
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but it's not Amiga software. It run on Raspberry ARM64. Topic is "Amiga" software that run on 68k or PPC. |
LOL Now PowerPC is good but ARM64 is not.
And that's only because... Seiya said it!  Quote:
If you show that emu68 run on Amiga 68k, it's ok. |
Another non-sense... |
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Re: The Best hardware and the best software 2023 Posted on 4-Nov-2023 16:03:00
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And that's only because... Seiya said it! |
It is Seiya's fanzine, so his rules apply.
I wonder why fellow Amiga users so like arguing to death among themselves about trivia like this. |
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Re: The Best hardware and the best software 2023 Posted on 4-Nov-2023 16:11:30
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Funny, I always thought a fanzine is made for the fans and not just for the editor-in-chief.
The fact remains, that most of the people who would read @Seiya’s fanzine would agree that emu68 is Amiga software. Made by Amigans for the benefit of Amigans, to help maker classic Amiga’s perform better than ever in history.
The fact that emu68 is currently compiled to run on ARM is only something which @Seiya insists on highlighting to split the proverbial hairs, because he doesn’t like that most Amigans picked emu68 as the best software for 2023.
He first tried to make the argument that it isn’t software, then he begrudgingly accepted that it is software, but its running on ARM so he moves the goal posts to narrow the definition to 68k and PPC. Which means he just alienated the black cat camp who run AROS on x86. I gues they don’t count.
He could have made a survey, but he left it open to free-form responses. The responses in this thread is what he gets.
Last edited by agami on 04-Nov-2023 at 04:21 PM. Last edited by agami on 04-Nov-2023 at 04:20 PM. Last edited by agami on 04-Nov-2023 at 04:19 PM.
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Re: The Best hardware and the best software 2023 Posted on 4-Nov-2023 16:42:26
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pavlor wrote:
It is Seiya's fanzine, so his rules apply.
I wonder why fellow Amiga users so like arguing to death among themselves about trivia like this. |
+1. This then some of this doesn't do a lot for anyone!_________________ A1200+Mediator+Voodoo3+040+130mbRAM+0S3.9 A2000+Supra28mhz+9mbRAM+OS3.2.2, CD32 & WinUAE |
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Re: The Best hardware and the best software 2023 Posted on 4-Nov-2023 17:03:26
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pavlor wrote:
It is Seiya's fanzine, so his rules apply.
I wonder why fellow Amiga users so like arguing to death among themselves about trivia like this. |
+1. This then some of this doesn't do a lot for anyone! |
You seem to forget that it takes two to tango.
None of what you state would’ve happened if @Seiya simply thanked everyone for their contributions.
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Re: The Best hardware and the best software 2023 Posted on 4-Nov-2023 17:25:05
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I certainly haven't forgotten that it takes two to tango ... that was exactly what myself & I believe pavlor was stating. We both also clearly think its just Seiya's fanzine poll so he gets to make his own rules whether or not you, me or anyone else agrees with them.
I've already stated my view of this definition, see post #18, but as I say its not my poll so I don't get to decide. Last edited by Tpod on 04-Nov-2023 at 05:36 PM.
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Re: The Best hardware and the best software 2023 Posted on 4-Nov-2023 17:35:07
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| The topic was: the best hardware and software for Amiga of 2023. Everyone writes freely and without coercion what hardware and software they think is the best. The software was implied to be programs, operating systems and games for 68k and PPC.
@pavlor, @tpod I also posted this data for other magazines that were much more important than my fanzine, but cdimauro and Agami did everything they could to ruin the topic. There are other forums where people have given their votes and maybe you will read in other magazines/fanzines.
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Re: The Best hardware and the best software 2023 Posted on 4-Nov-2023 18:05:37
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Agami simply nominated PiStorm32 Lite and Emu68k. They are perfectly reasonable choices. You reacted badly because your definitions aren't universal and you dragged your own thread in a combatative direction.
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Re: The Best hardware and the best software 2023 Posted on 4-Nov-2023 18:32:18
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agami wrote: @pavlor
Funny, I always thought a fanzine is made for the fans and not just for the editor-in-chief.
The fact remains, that most of the people who would read @Seiya’s fanzine would agree that emu68 is Amiga software. Made by Amigans for the benefit of Amigans, to help maker classic Amiga’s perform better than ever in history.
The fact that emu68 is currently compiled to run on ARM is only something which @Seiya insists on highlighting to split the proverbial hairs, because he doesn’t like that most Amigans picked emu68 as the best software for 2023.
He first tried to make the argument that it isn’t software, then he begrudgingly accepted that it is software, but its running on ARM so he moves the goal posts to narrow the definition to 68k and PPC. Which means he just alienated the black cat camp who run AROS on x86. I gues they don’t count.
He could have made a survey, but he left it open to free-form responses. The responses in this thread is what he gets.
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Agami simply nominated PiStorm32 Lite and Emu68k. They are perfectly reasonable choices. You reacted badly because your definitions aren't universal and you dragged your own thread in a combatative direction.
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Seiya wrote: The topic was: the best hardware and software for Amiga of 2023. Everyone writes freely and without coercion what hardware and software they think is the best. The software was implied to be programs, operating systems and games for 68k and PPC. |
You continue to change the cards on the table, because you're intellectually dishonest.
The topic is this: https://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=45071&forum=2&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0#864518
The Best hardware and the best software 2023
what is, in your opinion, the best hardware and the best software (Applications and Games) for this 2023? the result i put on my fanzine for 25 December issue. I thought that write "software" people know that i refering Games and Applications.
Where even an idiot can see that there's NO reference to the Amiga.
But you changed again the cards and you added PPC. But this only on the LAST TWO RECENT POSTS!
Last but not really least, PPC is NOT Amiga. You don't even know the definition of "Amiga"! Quote:
@pavlor, @tpod I also posted this data for other magazines that were much more important than my fanzine, |
And? Who cares! Here we're on AmigaWorld and that's a new topic for this site. Quote:
but cdimauro and Agami did everything they could to ruin the topic. |
I've just reported the topic about for your convenience, since you don't recall even what YOU stated... Quote:
There are other forums where people have given their votes and maybe you will read in other magazines/fanzines. |
Again, WHO CARES!!! We're on AmigaWorld. |
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Re: The Best hardware and the best software 2023 Posted on 4-Nov-2023 18:40:02
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Pistorm and Pistorm32lite is ok.
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Re: The Best hardware and the best software 2023 Posted on 4-Nov-2023 18:48:31
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Writing the "best hardware and software" on an Amiga forum that is not tolerant of other platforms, it was clear that he was referring to the Amiga. You are also rude because you insult people. You call yourself an idiot very frequently when someone tries to make you understand that you have a bad temper. Since the original post created confusion, for you and for very few others, I changed it to make it more understandable by also telling you that the Pistorm32lite and the Pistorm are fine in terms of hardware as well as the FPGA solutions. The software must only be applications, games and operating systems that run natively or in emulation in an Amiga.
Only you misunderstood because it was immediately clear what the topic was.
PS. I changed (i hope for last time) the topic to avoid confusion about Amiga hardware and software.
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Re: The Best hardware and the best software 2023 Posted on 4-Nov-2023 19:15:01
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Writing the "best hardware and software" on an Amiga forum that is not tolerant of other platforms, it was clear that he was referring to the Amiga. |
And you continue to add things changing the cards on the table: where do you get that this forum is not tolerant with other platforms?
AmigaWorld is the exact opposite: is the most tolerant Amiga site ever, and here we also talked of other platforms and even completely OT stuff. Quote:
You are also rude because you insult people. You call yourself an idiot very frequently when someone tries to make you understand that you have a bad temper. |
Again, you report statements without even a single link to support your LIES. Quote:
Since the original post created confusion, for you and for very few others, |
Not few, looking at the comments. Quote:
I changed it to make it more understandable by also telling you that the Pistorm32lite and the Pistorm are fine in terms of hardware as well as the FPGA solutions. |
Oh, you again change the cards on the tables after several critics that you received. Quote:
The software must only be applications, games and operating systems that run natively or in emulation in an Amiga. |
Fine. NOW! Quote:
Only you misunderstood because it was immediately clear what the topic was. |
First you say "a few others". Now you say "only you".
You aren't even able to lie in a coherent way... Quote:
PS. I changed (i hope for last time) the topic to avoid confusion about Amiga hardware and software. |
Finally you fixed the mess that YOU created... |
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Re: The Best hardware and the best software 2023 Posted on 4-Nov-2023 19:24:25
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@cdimauro Finally you fixed the mess that YOU created... |
I didn't make any mess, you did it all by yourself. Last edited by Seiya on 04-Nov-2023 at 07:36 PM. Last edited by Seiya on 04-Nov-2023 at 07:35 PM.
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Re: The Best Amiga Hardware and Software 2023 Posted on 5-Nov-2023 16:10:58
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There, fixed the title of the topic for you.
And to add, HW (aside from PiStorm which is fantastic), I would add TerribleFire (any variant although the 1260s are pretty sweet). _________________ Test sig (new) |
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Re: The Best Amiga Hardware and Software 2023 Posted on 5-Nov-2023 16:20:20
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thank you
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Re: The Best Amiga Hardware and Software 2023 Posted on 5-Nov-2023 19:40:29
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Best hardware: PiStorm/PiStorm32 Lite Best software: DiagROM _________________ B5D6A1D019D5D45BCC56F4782AC220D8B3E2A6CC |
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Re: The Best Amiga Hardware and Software 2023 Posted on 8-Nov-2023 7:11:48
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Re: The Best Amiga Hardware and Software 2023 Posted on 8-Nov-2023 10:26:56
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Re: The Best Amiga Hardware and Software 2023 Posted on 8-Nov-2023 12:59:00
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a little more modification you can add in the title: "The Best Amiga 68k Hardware and Software 2023".
better to stay on 680x0 world
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