This really hacks me off.

https://news.sky.com/story/a-game-changing-computer-apples-first-macintosh-turns-40-13054523

Amiga was a bigger game changer than that piece of crap....

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It’s unfortunately but I guess that old saying holds true, “history is written by the victors”.

I mean Apple should get some credit they were pretty good at stealing idea and maybe implementing them better than the original idea and had always great marketing making them seem the best option when most of the time they likely weren’t and were overpriced, but the power of marking is an amazing thing.

No other company in the world could produce £700 wheels for pc tower and sell out
https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MX572ZM/A/apple-mac-pro-wheels-kit

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I've never had such a feeling that capitalism has failed as I had when I haggled an Apple Store salesman down to price match the Amazon price for a MagSafe MacBook power supply! Every customer in my eyeline was looking at me like I was a Dell Boy style barrow boy just for defending my right not to be ripped off! It's part of the allure to worship the brand and flash the cash it seems!

We'll see if the Amiga gets any comparable coverage next year for the A1000's 40th birthday!

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Amiga was further ahead of its time but the Mac was as influential if not more influential. The Amiga technology didn't improve or proliferate as much and then practically disappeared from the world. Even today it is hidden away and "protected" from influence or an Amiga heritage.

@OP

Makes perfect sense:

Commodore, the company and not the resold brand, does not exist anymore like Apple does.
And its line of computers: The wildly popular and unit sales records breaking/holding C64, and the multitasking multi-media wonder Amiga are no longer made, in the way that Macs have a continuity over the preceding 40 years.

Furthermore, Apple and its products are part of the collective mindset. Even if one doesn't have an Apple Mac, or never used one, or any other Apple product, you'd be hard pressed to find a person with an internet connected computer who is unaware of the Mac. The opposite is true for Amiga and Commodore.

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The Mac is a poor man's Lisa rip off. The Lisa came before the Mac so Apple and everyone else should really owe this revolution to the Lisa. However, even the Lisa is late to the party, as the Xerox Star is said to be the first personal computer with a built in GUI, released in 1981.

So by the time the Mac had arrived with its GUI and inferior mouse a WIMP interface was old news. Big deal. But who remembers the Star for that? Instead the Mac is considered the star attraction.

Unfortunately, by the time the Amiga arrived in 1985, it was already too late. And the Amiga became a trail blazer. To make matters worse, the Amiga was beaten by the Atari ST to market with its built in MIDI. The Amiga beat Windows apparently, but the Amiga took even longer to establish a market and actually be available, where as hardware already existed for Windows to run on. So, a keyword here, trailblazer.

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But the Amiga could be seen on french TV 6 years ago, better than nothing.

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How steep was the influence of Atari in music scene? I bet it was quite influential in the music scene, but not a scene big enough to save Atari, or to sell Falcons.

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g01df1sh wrote: Amiga was a bigger game changer than that piece of crap....

Nope it simple wasn't.

It was more of failure compare to it's predecessor (C64) and for the 9 years it existed (everything after 94 wasn't even registered by the general public) it lived in obscure niches and the bottom end of the European gaming scene.

Sure it did a lot of things right and may have been innovative but the lack of success is what counts.

Think about "game changing" cars like the ModelT or VW Bug, neither were really good cars for their time but the still remain iconic.

The Mac (not Xerox, Atari or the Amiga) was what spurred MS to start Windows.
Thats why it is "desktop" and "folders" and not "Workbench" and "drawers".

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And even a renown German manufacturer of cars had a MODEL named that way, albeit with quite a bit of foresight.

My €0,02 contribution to this otherwise interesting thread

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Lets see Opel got tied to GM about 100 years ago, both started to fail in the 90s, mothership went bust once or twice with Opel now just being little more then a sticker brand for PSA/Stellantis.

How fitting.

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matthey wrote: Amiga was further ahead of its time but the Mac was as influential if not more influential. The Amiga technology didn't improve or proliferate as much and then practically disappeared from the world. Even today it is hidden away and "protected" from influence or an Amiga heritage.

For Amiga's professional software market niche, Amiga's 68K NLE (non-linear editing) software (with hit-the-metal 3rd party hardware dependency) wasn't carried over to PowerPC AmigaOnes or X86 Amithlon.

I have tried to run Movie Shop 2.1 on WinUAE and it looks like the missing 3rd party hardware needs to be emulated. So much for uber-high 68K CPU power.

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Kronos wrote: @g01df1sh Quote: g01df1sh wrote: Amiga was a bigger game changer than that piece of crap.... Nope it simple wasn't. It was more of failure compare to it's predecessor (C64) and for the 9 years it existed (everything after 94 wasn't even registered by the general public) it lived in obscure niches and the bottom end of the European gaming scene. Sure it did a lot of things right and may have been innovative but the lack of success is what counts. Think about "game changing" cars like the ModelT or VW Bug, neither were really good cars for their time but the still remain iconic. The Mac (not Xerox, Atari or the Amiga) was what spurred MS to start Windows. Thats why it is "desktop" and "folders" and not "Workbench" and "drawers".

1981 Xerox Star 8010 Information System has folder icons. https://interface-experience.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/IE-Star-3.jpg

From https://interface-experience.org/objects/xerox-star-8010-information-system/

Xerox Star 8010 Information System's window frame influenced Window 95's.

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Hi @all!

What would you recommend as a more balanced source of information?

I mean, do you know of any "mainstream" news outlet that recently mentioned the Amiga?

Cheers!
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Xerox Star 8010 Information System's window frame influenced Window 95's.

Windows 95’s what? Window frames and widget buttons?

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