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DIY PPC gaming computer Posted on 5-Mar-2024 19:36:46
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| Some people converted an old router with NXP/Freescale QorIQ P1014 800MHz into a Linux running computer with AMD PCIe GFX card :
https://kittenlabs.de/real-gaming-router/
Demonstrating the possibilities of a free Open source OS and some open minded hardware nerds. |
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Re: DIY PPC gaming computer Posted on 6-Mar-2024 2:33:23
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| @OneTimer1 As noted in your web link, PowerPC e500v2's FPU is not standard PowerPC FPU.
TP-Link WDR4900 v1's QorIQ P1014 runs at 800MHz and DDR 333.333 MHz (666.667 MT/s data rate) memory. https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wdr4900
TP-Link has the purchasing power to reach economies of scale for QorIQ P1014-based products. TP-LINK TL-WDR4900 v1 was released in 2013.
TP-Link WDR4900 has U-boot as its firmware...
Before the Thunderbolt port, using the mini-PCIe slot as an external GPU connectivity is a known hack with laptop PCs.
My Sony branded Intel Core 2 laptop's ExpressCard slot was used for external GPU e.g. Radeon HD 5770. Last edited by Hammer on 06-Mar-2024 at 02:39 AM.
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Re: DIY PPC gaming computer Posted on 6-Mar-2024 6:23:09
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| @OneTimer1
That's pretty cool. I personally couldn't be bothered to try such a thing, but enjoy watching people push older tech. far beyond what it was designed for.
One thing I picked out of the article, is that CLang/LLVM still has SPE support. Good news for the A1222. I've been using an older version of GCC for compiling SPE code.
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Re: DIY PPC gaming computer Posted on 6-Mar-2024 6:45:42
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| @OneTimer1
I like this this is really cool cheap ppc hardware with radeon 7450
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Re: DIY PPC gaming computer Posted on 6-Mar-2024 11:40:57
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| @OneTimer1
That's pretty neat. You can imagine it going into landfill otherwise but it's a perfectly reasonable little machine. _________________ Doing stupid things for fun... |
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Re: DIY PPC gaming computer Posted on 6-Mar-2024 20:38:13
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Re: DIY PPC gaming computer Posted on 6-Mar-2024 21:20:23
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| @Hans
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Hans wrote: @OneTimer1
That's pretty cool. I personally couldn't be bothered to try such a thing, but enjoy watching people push older tech. far beyond what it was designed for.
One thing I picked out of the article, is that CLang/LLVM still has SPE support. Good news for the A1222. I've been using an older version of GCC for compiling SPE code.
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Re: DIY PPC gaming computer Posted on 9-Mar-2024 13:16:15
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| @OneTimer1
OMG it's an A1222 Tabor Mini! 
Now this should have been chosen as the design for the Tabor! Seriously there was a PPC reference design and no one used it? The last remaining example of cheap PPC hardware and AEON missed it!?
It's so small it's perfect for a laptop. It's practically portable. Just add a mini screen.
I'm not sure about using it for games though. What games are there for PPC? Once you start using Linux the CPU becomes somewhat meaningless. |
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Re: DIY PPC gaming computer Posted on 10-Mar-2024 13:15:45
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i love it, can be perfect for AmigaOS4.x, just put it in a different box. |
_This_ is perfect for OS4, while old G4 powermacs are not? Sure!
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Re: DIY PPC gaming computer Posted on 10-Mar-2024 13:43:15
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That probably a lot of PowerPC hardware that's produced in high quantities at a low price, that could be obtain cheaply from the used market, a lot of the work has been done on the A1222, so this one using the same CPU, this does make it a viable target, however I'm sure it's not realistic, considering they are going to sell the A1222.
So I say “can be” not “this is”, because is lot work, and is direct conflict with A1222. Perhaps if someone figured out how to emulate A1222 on top of hypervisor / QEMU, it can be low cost alternative.
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Re: DIY PPC gaming computer Posted on 10-Mar-2024 14:31:45
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finn.no constantly gives me hits about G4 hardware, currently 6 sellers. This WDR4900? 1 on sale on ebay.
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Re: DIY PPC gaming computer Posted on 10-Mar-2024 15:33:14
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| @OneTimer1
Wii-U has better CPU, especially regarding FPU |
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Re: DIY PPC gaming computer Posted on 10-Mar-2024 17:58:05
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Perhaps if someone figured out how to emulate A1222 on top of hypervisor / QEMU, it can be low cost alternative. |
Why not use garbage PC then? QEMU PPC emulation will be faster than e500 800 MHz. |
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Re: DIY PPC gaming computer Posted on 10-Mar-2024 20:04:39
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Re: DIY PPC gaming computer Posted on 10-Mar-2024 20:14:54
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It requires quite beefy PC to emulate PowerPC, because of endianness |
Integer performance on today sub 500 EUR hardware is above G3 800 MHz.
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Worst part is 3D and FPU emulation. Some one tried to run |
We are talking in this thread about e500 based SoC. Just look at A1222 compatibility page how good it does (not) these things. |
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Re: DIY PPC gaming computer Posted on 10-Mar-2024 22:57:18
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Re: DIY PPC gaming computer Posted on 11-Mar-2024 1:33:16
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TP-Link TL-WDR4900 V2 model wasn't PowerPC i.e. Qualcomm Atheros QCA9558 which is based on MIPS CPU family.
TP-Link TL-WDR4900 V1 is the PowerPC variant. _________________ Amiga 1200 (rev 1D1, KS 3.2, PiStorm32/RPi CM4/Emu68) Amiga 500 (rev 6A, ECS, KS 3.2, PiStorm/RPi 4B/Emu68) Ryzen 9 7950X, DDR5-6000 64 GB RAM, GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB |
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Re: DIY PPC gaming computer Posted on 11-Mar-2024 2:48:39
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It requires quite beefy PC to emulate PowerPC, because of endianness, A good PC’s do compensate for endianness issue by having faster memory controllers.
Worst part is 3D and FPU emulation. Some one tried to run WipeOut in WinUAE on Amiga.org, let say it did not go well.
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Re: DIY PPC gaming computer Posted on 11-Mar-2024 17:08:49
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Re: DIY PPC gaming computer Posted on 11-Mar-2024 22:01:36
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This router has nearly the same CPU as Tabor, just one core and lower mhz. Maybe even can be overclocked and we would have Tabor clone for ~100eur. |
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