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OneTimer1 
DIY PPC gaming computer
Posted on 5-Mar-2024 19:36:46
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Some people converted an old router with NXP/Freescale QorIQ P1014 800MHz into a Linux running computer with AMD PCIe GFX card :

https://kittenlabs.de/real-gaming-router/

Demonstrating the possibilities of a free Open source OS and some open minded hardware nerds.

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Hammer 
Re: DIY PPC gaming computer
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@OneTimer1
As noted in your web link, PowerPC e500v2's FPU is not standard PowerPC FPU.

TP-Link WDR4900 v1's QorIQ P1014 runs at 800MHz and DDR 333.333 MHz (666.667 MT/s data rate) memory. https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wdr4900

TP-Link has the purchasing power to reach economies of scale for QorIQ P1014-based products. TP-LINK TL-WDR4900 v1 was released in 2013.

TP-Link WDR4900 has U-boot as its firmware...

Before the Thunderbolt port, using the mini-PCIe slot as an external GPU connectivity is a known hack with laptop PCs.

My Sony branded Intel Core 2 laptop's ExpressCard slot was used for external GPU e.g. Radeon HD 5770.

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Hans 
Re: DIY PPC gaming computer
Posted on 6-Mar-2024 6:23:09
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@OneTimer1

That's pretty cool. I personally couldn't be bothered to try such a thing, but enjoy watching people push older tech. far beyond what it was designed for.

One thing I picked out of the article, is that CLang/LLVM still has SPE support. Good news for the A1222. I've been using an older version of GCC for compiling SPE code.

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ppcamiga1 
Re: DIY PPC gaming computer
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@OneTimer1

I like this
this is really cool
cheap ppc hardware with radeon 7450

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Karlos 
Re: DIY PPC gaming computer
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@OneTimer1

That's pretty neat. You can imagine it going into landfill otherwise but it's a perfectly reasonable little machine.

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NutsAboutAmiga 
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@OneTimer1

i love it, can be perfect for AmigaOS4.x, just put it in a different box.

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Hammer 
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@Hans

Quote:

Hans wrote:
@OneTimer1

That's pretty cool. I personally couldn't be bothered to try such a thing, but enjoy watching people push older tech. far beyond what it was designed for.

One thing I picked out of the article, is that CLang/LLVM still has SPE support. Good news for the A1222. I've been using an older version of GCC for compiling SPE code.

Hans

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Hypex 
Re: DIY PPC gaming computer
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@OneTimer1

OMG it's an A1222 Tabor Mini!

Now this should have been chosen as the design for the Tabor! Seriously there was a PPC reference design and no one used it? The last remaining example of cheap PPC hardware and AEON missed it!?

It's so small it's perfect for a laptop. It's practically portable. Just add a mini screen.

I'm not sure about using it for games though. What games are there for PPC? Once you start using Linux the CPU becomes somewhat meaningless.

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kolla 
Re: DIY PPC gaming computer
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@NutsAboutAmiga

Quote:

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@OneTimer1

i love it, can be perfect for AmigaOS4.x, just put it in a different box.


_This_ is perfect for OS4, while old G4 powermacs are not? Sure!

I agree this is very cool work, Linux on PowerPC is something I have dabbled quite a lot with since way back (I'm sure my collection of PowerPC systems vastly outnumber those of amigapps1). But again this is Linux, not at all possible with OS4.

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Re: DIY PPC gaming computer
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@kolla

That probably a lot of PowerPC hardware that's produced in high quantities at a low price, that could be obtain cheaply from the used market, a lot of the work has been done on the A1222, so this one using the same CPU, this does make it a viable target, however I'm sure it's not realistic, considering they are going to sell the A1222.

So I say “can be” not “this is”, because is lot work, and is direct conflict with A1222.
Perhaps if someone figured out how to emulate A1222 on top of hypervisor / QEMU, it can be low cost alternative.

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kolla 
Re: DIY PPC gaming computer
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finn.no constantly gives me hits about G4 hardware, currently 6 sellers.
This WDR4900? 1 on sale on ebay.

I doubt it was sold in "high quantities".

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rzookol 
Re: DIY PPC gaming computer
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@OneTimer1

Wii-U has better CPU, especially regarding FPU

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pavlor 
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@NutsAboutAmiga

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Perhaps if someone figured out how to emulate A1222 on top of hypervisor / QEMU, it can be low cost alternative.


Why not use garbage PC then? QEMU PPC emulation will be faster than e500 800 MHz.

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NutsAboutAmiga 
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@pavlor

It requires quite beefy PC to emulate PowerPC, because of endianness,
A good PC’s do compensate for endianness issue by having faster memory controllers.

Worst part is 3D and FPU emulation. Some one tried to run
WipeOut in WinUAE on Amiga.org, let say it did not go well.

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pavlor 
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@NutsAboutAmiga

Quote:
It requires quite beefy PC to emulate PowerPC, because of endianness


Integer performance on today sub 500 EUR hardware is above G3 800 MHz.

Quote:
Worst part is 3D and FPU emulation. Some one tried to run


We are talking in this thread about e500 based SoC. Just look at A1222 compatibility page how good it does (not) these things.

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OneTimer1 
Re: DIY PPC gaming computer
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@rzookol

Yes, there is a Linux for the Wii-U:
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/caibny/here_is_debian_running_on_the_wii_u_not_vwii/

And with AROS (hosted ?) there should be the possibility for an AmigaLike OS on this Platform.

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Hammer 
Re: DIY PPC gaming computer
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@NutsAboutAmiga

TP-Link TL-WDR4900 V2 model wasn't PowerPC i.e. Qualcomm Atheros QCA9558 which is based on MIPS CPU family.

TP-Link TL-WDR4900 V1 is the PowerPC variant.

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Hammer 
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@pavlor

It requires quite beefy PC to emulate PowerPC, because of endianness,
A good PC’s do compensate for endianness issue by having faster memory controllers.

Worst part is 3D and FPU emulation. Some one tried to run
WipeOut in WinUAE on Amiga.org, let say it did not go well.


FYI, Ryzen 5 7600X (with DDR5-6000, B650 chipset) running WinUAE 5.0's AmigaOS 4.1 FE/Voodoo 3/PowerPC config Wipeout 2097 runs triple buffered 640x480x16 very smooth.

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NutsAboutAmiga 
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@Hammer

That’s no dumpster dive CPU, its currently being sold, its also the CPU alone is quite costly..

This old PowerPC in the old routers do not have DDR5, they have DDR2 and maybe DDR3.
so what I say is true.

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rzookol 
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This router has nearly the same CPU as Tabor, just one core and lower mhz. Maybe even can be overclocked and we would have Tabor clone for ~100eur.

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