@RobertB

OS4 gaming? What the heck? Spencer 2 and Wings finally released on the A1222+? I can't see much activity warranted beyond that!

Maybe a port of the new Speedball release?

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@BigD

Quake II
WipEout RE
Heretic II
NBlood

But, hey, we all know how you love trolling so you can keep on doing so :)

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@K-L

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K-L wrote: Quake II WipEout RE Heretic II NBlood But, hey, we all know how you love trolling so you can keep on doing so :)

Not so much "Amiga" gaming as it is PC sloppy seconds gaming.

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@agami

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Not so much "Amiga" gaming

I have read "OS4 gaming".

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@K-L

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K-L wrote: @agami I have read "OS4 gaming".

OK.

But you don't deny that it's PC sloppy seconds gaming on AmigaOS 4?

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@agami

I don't have anything to deny, this is not the topic we are discussing presently.

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All I ask in return is that you recognise that other people have different happy places to go to and not to get bent out of shape if it's different than yours.

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And this should apply to everybody (which is is rarely the case of 68k purists/extremists... and I'm also using a 68060).

Think about it regarding your answers, agami.

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@K-L

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K-L wrote: @agami I don't have anything to deny, this is not the topic we are discussing presently. All I ask in return is that you recognise that other people have different happy places to go to and not to get bent out of shape if it's different than yours. Think about it regarding your answers, agami.

The topic veered onto Amiga gaming, and more specifically AmigaOS 4 gaming, in no small part due to that being theme of AmiWest 2024, including a gaming showcase on AmigaOS 4, by Bill "Tekmage" Borsari.

I always do absolutely recognise and take into account that we all have different "happy places" as you referred to them. I'm just trying to help people deal with their cognitive dissonance.

I too will choose to do some things which to others appears to be the "hard way", and they will even tell me that there is a much easier to that same thing.
I am the first one to admit that I am deliberately choosing to do it the hard way, but I never delude myself nor will I ever deny that it is indeed the hard way, and I also acknowledge that that there are easier, and often that means cheaper ways to do that particular thing.

If someone wants to use a $2,000+ USD computer to play games from the late '90s because that's their happy place, I say go right ahead. I would just like them to acknowledge that they understand that they are doing it the hard and expensive way.

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@agami

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agami wrote: I always do absolutely recognise and take into account that we all have different "happy places" as you referred to them.

Kronos spoke about "happy places", not me. I did just agree with him.

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I too will choose to do some things which to others appears to be the "hard way", and they will even tell me that there is a much easier to that same thing.

I haven't seen anyone coming here to tell you what to do. But the contrary...

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Is someone wants to use a $2,000+ USD computer to play games from the late '90s because that's their happy place, I say go right ahead. I would just like them to acknowledge that they understand that they are doing it the hard and expensive way.

Did these people ask you anything? Do you think they really don't know what they are doing with their money?

And by the way, why do you care? Is it your money that they are spending?

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Listen to engineer Dave Haynie in a marathon speaking session! See

Haynie - Amiwest 2024
https://youtu.be/tLsKMTV-byE

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Brian Deneen opens up the Amiwest banquet at

Banquet - Amiwest 2024
https://youtu.be/1wHLRQvybdE

Look at all the Amiwest exhibits and people at

Looking at the Show Floor - Amiwest 2024
https://youtu.be/GsvqR_fyXaA

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@K-L

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K-L wrote: @agami Did these people ask you anything? Do you think they really don't know what they are doing with their money? And by the way, why do you care? Is it your money that they are spending?

I have never made this about the money. It is about the apologetics. About acknowledging reality.

I'm not telling anyone what to do. I'm stating what I'd like people to do. For their own sanity, and for the friendlier discourse on the Amiga forums.

The first step in fixing a problem is acknowledging that there is a problem.
Gaming on PPC Amiga's is made up of mostly average quality ports of PC games from the late '90s. While that's not the reason why anyone got their AmigaOS 4 or MorphOS capable hardware, it is something that these machines can do, though not always well. All things considered, its a pretty sad state of affairs, but for those few individuals it brings a small amount of joy.

The above is an example of a non-delusional statement.
See how I didn't list a bunch of software to defend an indefensible position?

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Thanx everyone, due to illness I almost did not attend this year but finally made it even though I felt a little under the weather in the end. I’m very glad I could attend and it was lots of fun hanging out with fellow Amiga family members including Dave Haynie. My oldest son really enjoyed the show as well. He often wondered why I loved the Amiga so much for years so it’s nice for him to witness it first hand.

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agami wrote: I'm not telling anyone what to do. I'm stating what I'd like people to do. For their own sanity, and for the friendlier discourse on the Amiga forums.

For their own sanity? Sorry, but who do you think you are? Why would people have to aknowledge anything to you? Who ever asked you about talking about their sanity?

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The first step in fixing a problem is acknowledging that there is a problem.

Actually, here, YOU seem to be the problem. Will you acknowledge it?


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Gaming on PPC Amiga's is made up of mostly average quality ports of PC games from the late '90s. While that's not the reason why anyone got their AmigaOS 4 or MorphOS capable hardware, it is something that these machines can do, though not always well. All things considered, its a pretty sad state of affairs, but for those few individuals it brings a small amount of joy.

Once again this pedantic tone. I don't know who you think you are but as anyone can see: not a wise person.

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The above is an example of a non-delusional statement. See how I didn't list a bunch of software to defend an indefensible position?

Who cares about what you did? Who gives a bloody care of what you are thinking?

You don't like that some people can have som fun with what they have bought? It's a psychological trouble that we won't be able to resolve here.

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Another Amiwest Show 2024 video has been posted! It is

Raffle - Amiwest 2024
https://youtu.be/-oUdUm8o4WU

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After much editing, the next Amiwest Show 2024 video has been posted. It is Trevor Dickinson of A-EON, giving his keynote speech. See

Dickinson Keynote Speech - Amiwest 2024
https://youtu.be/RSfkPQOsmOM

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@agami

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As a product and marketing person, I have been asking myself a very similar question over the past years. What is an Amiga in the modern era? What could it be? What should it be?

What is an Amiga in 2024? I would say the same as it was in 1994 and 2004. An Amiga computer as designed by Jay Miner and produced by Commodore with a hardware design based directly on the Lorraine prototype.

Now, at the risk of mincing words and looking vague, a similar question I would propose is what is Amiga? I would answer that as the Amiga computer I described above as well as an AmigaOne, OS4, AROS, MorphOS and any Amiga inspired or directly interfacing Amiga hardware.

To me a question like what is an Amiga has the same answer no matter what year you place it in, since neither Commodore or anyone after expanded the hardware to be anything else, it's set in stone and petrified in AGA. A hardware question. A question like what is Amiga is more broad as it covers the Amiga ecosystem. A question that could have answers with hardware, software, or a mix of both whose purpose exists because of the Amiga computer.

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Not so much "Amiga" gaming as it is PC sloppy seconds gaming.

You know, to be accurate, Amiga gaming has been like that since the late 80's. Once VGA was established as the de facto standard the Amiga got poor mans ports and was stuck on ECS. Major developers didn't care about copper lists and HAM modes putting the most colour on screen for an Amiga. If it was ported from PC and a few of the late games in the 90's were, then unfortunately the Amiga had the poor man version. 256x18 bpp reduced to 32x12 bpp. Without the sprite capability, parallax layers and tilemaps of the consoles it had nothing to fall back on. We know AGA came too late, both for the open market and Amiga market, and I think it needed to be here in 1987 to make a dent. Instead of being a trailblazer to VGA. Never catching up once the paradigm shift went from porting Amiga to PC to becoming porting PC to Amiga.

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Ah, the last Amiwest 2024 video has been posted. See Charles Hofer talk about his Amiga collection at

https://youtu.be/OcofB6YeABI

Truly,
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@RobertB

Thanks! However, it would have been nice if he shared what he used them for rather than just giving us a peak inside the mind of a hoarder!

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