> Each company was allowed to build up their inventories and continue to sell them

Nope. Non-compliant products, except for spare parts, are required to have "entered the EU market" ("put on the market") before the cut-off date. That means they must have reached EU dealers or EU wholesalers. Manufacturers are not permitted to stockpile non-compliant products for sale into the EU market.

http://www.rohs.gov.uk/FAQs.aspx

@zerohero

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Stefan, you see, this particular post has nothing to do with OS4, so it's quite useless to discuss in that regard. It's possible that the Efika is better than SAM440, it's possible that it would've save AmigaOS4 from whatever you think, but that is not the point. This has nothing to do with discussing potential HW even, as you (should, at least) know that it's not likely that any Genesi product will run AmigaOS4.

Does "SAM440" have a valid, signed, license for OS4? Does ACK? Does Troika? Who does? The Amiga Dealers that have applied (I know of two, there could be more, I have read the e-mail correspondance from one of them)? Does Senex company (whatever that was called)?

Many have tried. No-one has ever managed to get a OS4 license. Not even "the Italians", and by the reply I got in another thread, they haven't even tried yet. I guess they will be in for a surprize.

Why am I mentioning this? Only because I want to highlight that *all* discussions that involve "OS4" and "hardware" in the same sentence is *purely hypothetical*. Efika is not different from other discussions in this regard. The only difference between the Efika and all those brave "basement projects" is that the Efika is here (will ship in 2-3 weeks according to the webstore), it's cheap, and it *could* make a difference.

However, I do understand your point.

Hmmmm.....it seems all in all I have the money to buy a Dell XPS laptop next year with a Core 2 Duo CPU.

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@ madtrekker

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The Efika may be cheap, sure, but another relevant question is whether or not either MorphOS or AmigaOS4 are ready to break outside of the community. I don't think they are yet.

That's an interesting point. Maybe one could equal "OS4 Final" to "MorphOS 1.5". None of them is here yet, but both will function as some kind of "version 1.0".

Rumours said that MorphOS 1.5 could be released before christmas, but that was later denied by "the MorphOS Team". The release time for OS4 Final is also unknown.

But I agree with you - maybe there is no point with anything really, before they get there?

And sticking Ubunto on it ?

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Pardon me for posting on topic, which does not seem to be of any interest,
judging by this thread:
Thanks to all who made the effort to produce hardware (pegasos) for this tiny
community and to those who supported it with an OS.
Regardless of how one feels about anything else here, I would hope that we could
acknowledge some general appreciation for work done that resulted in some benefit
to the larger Amiga community.

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@takemehomegrandma

No, they don't have a license, but we do know they're trying to get one. That's a lot more than can be said about the Efika.

The difference between SAM440 and Efika is the company behind it. Genesi isn't the most popular company in Amiga circles, for obvious reasons. Lets not go there, as this thread would degenerate too fast if we did. So there certainly is a difference, so it's not so hard to understand why Genesi HW never will be supported by AmigaOS4.

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So there certainly is a difference, so it's not so hard to understand why Genesi HW never will be supported by AmigaOS4.

What's hard to understand is how can Amiga refuse *any* licence.

The point is they are not in position to refuse any licence... be it the "evil" Genesi, or anyone else.

At least no company wanting to make business would act like this.

Plain, simple.

Leo.

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@takemehomegrandma

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I just say that I think the "SAM440" is poorly positioned, and also why. I think they will sell inside the community, but it won't help the Amiga to expand and break new territory.

I'm inclined to disagree with you're opinion. Having read the full spec, I wish I had the money to exploit its potential to sell OS4 outside of the community.

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@Leo

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The point is they are not in position to refuse any licence... be it the "evil" Genesi, or anyone else.

Actually, if you have had problems with a company before, it doesn't really make any sense to deal with them again, especially if you still have other options, and it sounds like there are plenty of other companies with whom Amiga can deal.

Also, we don't have enough information to really know what their position is - if they have refused a license then they - at least - must believe they are in a position to do so, regardless of what you or I think.

#6

Classy move.

TMHG: is there any word on what the MOS team will be emphasizing as they move away from Genesi? I was always under the impression that they were more than partners.

Years ago these two camps could have cooperated and taken a serious run at the market. It's a shame.

@Leo

You seem to be missing the important point though. It's not even certain that Amiga Inc. will grant a license to anyone. Unless Hyperion and Amiga solve their differences OS4 won't come out to any plattform, be it SAM440 or anything else.

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TMHG: is there any word on what the MOS team will be emphasizing as they move away from Genesi? I was always under the impression that they were more than partners.

No, nothing.

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Years ago these two camps could have cooperated and taken a serious run at the market. It's a shame.

Yes, indeed.

@zerohero: then if I would be Hyperion I would seriously consider giving up... there are currently working for nothing if this is the case...

Leo.

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I wonder why they call off "PegasosPPC" and not just "Pegasos2".
For me it reads like the end the family of products itself.

And regarding the Efika, as the SAM I consider it for myself
too underpowered to even replace my G3/600 A1.

But in contrary to the SAM the Efika does not even have
sufficent connectors to make it a desktop.
Only a single 44pin HD connector?
Makes connecting optical drives problematic at best.

I do ... I have µA1...

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@ Shadowolf

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And regarding the Efika, as the SAM I consider it for myself too underpowered to even replace my G3/600 A1.

If you are happy with your A1 then there is no reason to "upgrade", since this wouldn't really be an upgrade at all, right ? Well, in some way you could perhaps see it as some kind of an upgrade I suppose (Articia gone, faster on-chip controllers), in some way it would be a "cross-grade" (about the same user experience), and on other it would definitely be a *downgrade* (less connectors, less expandability, less everything). This isn't for you, unless you plan on making some special application, a terminal in your house, a mobile device, etc and don't want to spend a fortune!

As for "power" - it seems like people gets hooked on this issue. Sure, this is nothing you will do a lot of raytracing on, hehe. (Who would come up with the thought of doing raytracing on an Amiga anyway? That kind of stuff is best done with the real applications, on the real desktop systems! 1991 ended one and a half decade ago you know ). But exactly how much power is *necessary* to to the common every-day things that most people do? Surf the net, chat, transfer files, e-mail, administer your photo album, listen to music, typing things, etc?

What do you think of this type of case?

http://tinypic.com/m81fk0.jpg

Say a system like this (complete, without monitor) could cost 250USD/200EUR. It wouldn't be sluggish since it runs OS4/MorphOS and Amiga/MorphOS apps. Suitable for "everyday" stuff (depending on SW), not the heavy creativity work that people use Photoshop, InDesign, 3D Studio Max, etc for anyway (MorphOS/OS4 isn't even participating in that game). The system would have limitations in its expandability, but it doesn't matter, and it would be enough for what it's supposed be.

What would you think of that?

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But in contrary to the SAM the Efika does not even have sufficent connectors to make it a desktop.

It *is* limited. That's the point! That's how it can cost so little money. In the Efika case, few connectors and slots is the *enabler*. Had they gone the "Italian route", they would have ended up with a board that would still be "underpowered" (according to some people), have SATA instead of PATA, and would have cost so much that the whole purpose would have been destroyed. The point with Efika is doing less, for less money. And in an "A1200" device (for example), how many connectors would you need. You would obviously want to connect a mouse (usb), a monitor, speakers and microphone perhaps, a network cable and a power cord. Then you would have a basic system going. Possibly you would want a USB hub, and if I would make the case, I would glue one inside the case, directly connected to the motherboard, offering a bunch of extra USB connectors at the top of the case, and on the backside. Then you would be home safe for most applications!

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Only a single 44pin HD connector? Makes connecting optical drives problematic at best.

A single IDE connector should not be a problem, as long as you can accept to not having the HDD directly connected/attached to the motherboard connector. *Otherwise* it would become problematic at best!

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It *is* limited. That's the point! That's how it can cost so little money. In the Efika case, few connectors and slots is the *enabler*.

*sigh*... So let me get this straight... We have to choose between expensive hardware and cheap USELESS hardware? I'll pass, thanks.

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A single IDE connector should not be a problem, as long as you can accept to not having the HDD directly connected/attached to the motherboard connector. *Otherwise* it would become problematic at best!

And provided that you do use 3.5" drives, not all 2.5" drives like being used in conjunction with other IDE devices on the same channel.

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And throwing all these years of hard work away? I doubt Hyperion + team is willing to do that.

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