@ redfox and gary_c

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Be assured that if there was some real news, the other sites would post it.

Actually what Wayne stated at AO was that the Q&A sessions would be blocked from the news beforehand. Yes, without even knowing its content!

For instance even when Fleecy made the Q&A announcement that Amiga products have shipped after nearly a decade to mainstream shops, this was filtered from the news at the time.

And it's not like there was so many news to report these last couple of days and IMO the information provided regarding the coupons and H&P development tools are already newsworthy items by themselves.

So to summ up my previous statements. I can understand that if not any important new information is given in the new Q&As, that a webmaster would not report the Q&A as news. However to boycott the Fleecy Q&A sessions from the news beforehand, like has been stated, is IMO very strange indeed coming from an Amiga community website.

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For instance even when Fleecy made the Q&A announcement that Amiga products have shipped after nearly a decade to mainstream shops, this was filtered from the news at the time.

Do you mean the GamePacks at CompUSA? If so, it's natural to exclude this from news at amiga.org, which is focused on the classic Amiga platform and its extensions, as I understand it. I don't think it's any secret that AmigaDE-related announcements are not "news" in the scope of amiga.org. It makes no difference how much news is being posted at any given time. If something is considered out-of-scope, it's out-of-scope, even on a slow news day.

Again, if fleecy were to use the weekly Q&A sessions to announce, for example, the release of AmigaOS4, then no doubt this would be valid news at amiga.org. (And I'm sure we're all hoping for that test case ). But the fact that another Q&A session has been posted in itself isn't news as delineated by the webmasters at amiga.org and it's not unreasonable that they should make that assessment, IMHO, for the reasons I've given.

-- gary_c

Whats the law suit about?
Careful here, not interested in starting anything, just want some info.

I think he handles the Amithlon question well.
When you think about it, they days of Workbench 3.9 are numbered, so it would most likely be a big risk to really get too involved for something of dubious value to thier future.

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@ gary_c

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Do you mean the GamePacks at CompUSA?

Actually what you suggest to be the reasoning for this is in contradiction of earlier statements by AO that they will report on any major Amiga-related news, just like us.

And the AmigaDE technology designers Amiga Inc, Hyperion and many of the Amiga AmigDE games developers are certainly 100% Amiga related, both in terms of background and in terms of product (i.e. future AmigaDE integration into AmigaOS).

@ IonMane

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Whats the law suit about?

A long time ago Thendic-France acquired a free AmigaDE license contract from Amiga Inc for some WinCE products. These products never materialized however and Genesi (Thendic+bPlan) now wants to have the AmigaDE ported to the Pegasos/MorphOS, or so they claim.

i always find it funny that one reason why other sites dont post an announcement of any kind on their front news page to do with the Q&A sessions, is the fact that they are weekly.

what, so news isnt news if you know when its going to happen?

so much for me thinking the footy scores each saturday are news ;)

what i do find even funnier than this are the people bashing the Q&A for *any* reason when they dont even visit this site.

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Actually what you suggest would be the reasoning bahind this is in contradiction of earlier statements by AO that they will report on any major Amiga-related news, just like us.

What I read recently at amiga.org is that the scope of news is things related to the classic Amiga platform and (I take it) extensions of that such as AOS4 and MorphOS. This may well be different from what their earlier description was, but it's up to them if they want to change the focus. I don't think you can call it a contradiction if they willingly modified their focus.
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And the AmigaDE technology designers Amiga Inc, Hyperion and many of the Amiga AmigDE games developers are certainly 100% Amiga related, both in terms of background and in terms of product (i.e. future AmigaDE integration into AmigaOS).

There are certain connections for sure, but somewhat indirect in many cases. Regardless, it isn't you or I that make the decision of "Amiga-related news" at amiga.org; it's that site's webmasters/editors, etc. So what they say is what goes. (Anyway, I'll drop the subject here; there's no point in arguing about it further.)

-- gary_c

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Because it was a question asked by an AmigaWorld visitor and selected by AmigaWorld staff to be answered. If you read the author's reasoning, its likely that this question could not be answered to its full extent without mud-slinging or finger pointing, something Amiga does not want to resort to in public and we could do less with within the Amiga community.

So why didn't HE say that?

My question was worded exactly as it was to see if Fleecy could answer it. Obviously it's beyond his control.

It would be nice to see Amiga.inc show some backbone, but I guess it's too much to hope for.

@AlkemystQuote:

Hmmm i read & re-read his reply and i would say he did answer the question.

No. He didn't asnwer the question at all. He explained that there were other people involved (Duh) and that there wasn't an easy solution, but he didn't answer the question.Quote:

But i think i know what your getting at. You want pacifics that would mean naming names and that could lead amiga,inc in court.

That's absolutely NOT what I'm getting at.

Bernie has a saleable product that he won't (not can't) release for fear of reprisals by "you know who". If Amiga themselves were to take on the sale and distribution, exactly as Bernie intended to, then the flak would all be aimed at them, leaving Bernie to continue what he's best at and giving him some much needed pocket money to boot.

My question is... Why hasn't it happened?

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*I* interpret this as "We would love to go in and take over distribution, but it has been impossible to do so due to inconcileable differences of interest between parties involved. [I won't name any names], but this deadlock probably won't resolve itself anytime soon, - so our hands are tied." ...

That's an interpretation, sure, but it isn't the answer Fleecy gave.
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I'd say that qualifies as a (wrapped-up) answer. How would you interpret it?

My interpretation doesn't matter. The question itself wasn't answered.

@ gary_c

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I don't think you can call it a contradiction if they willingly modified their focus.

Well it's a contradiction to me (and to earlier probably obsolete statements), as I am not aware of a such shift being announced publicly. In the past many news was posted with regard to the AmigaDE on AO (everything from turtorials to interviews). So it would IMO be natural to report that those efforts finally came to fruition in a large way.

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it isn't you or I that make the decision of "Amiga-related news" at amiga.org; it's that site's webmasters/editors, etc.

Agreed. And this is exactly what Fleecy stated in one of the Q&A Sessions.

Maybe there is a complete focus shift, but only recently AO reported on anything Amiga related, be it everything from Payback being ported to the GBA to new music by Amiga music legends.

AmigaWorld intends to report anything of clear interest to Amiga users, although our main focus is AmigaDE and AmigaOS.

@ Desmon

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The question itself wasn't answered.

Fleecy gave you a political answer. From his answer you can gather:

1. Don't get your hopes up high that this issue will be resolved anytime soon.
2. Amiga would like to see Bernie's solution come to fruition.
3. Amiga does not want to go into details, but due to the complexity of the differences between several involved parties your suggestion is not yet a possibility.

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What I read recently at amiga.org is that the scope of news is things related to the classic Amiga platform and (I take it) extensions of that such as AOS4 and MorphOS

I wonder how the current headline "RepliGo for Smartphones now available. Converts ANY document from your PC to you" fits into this scheme. Or "Internet News Time Bomb hits Office 2000 on Windows 2000 PCs". Or "Mozilla renames Phoenix and Minotaur". Or "NASA increase silicon chip industry life by 10 years".

Interesting

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I wonder how the current headline "RepliGo for Smartphones now available. Converts ANY document from your PC to you" fits into this scheme. Or "Internet News Time Bomb hits Office 2000 on Windows 2000 PCs". Or "Mozilla renames Phoenix and Minotaur". Or "NASA increase silicon chip industry life by 10 years".

Exactly! Its pure and simple hatred of AmigaWorld and its editors!

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A cynic would say that it is a deliberate policy to
filter out that which Wayne has a serious problem with
- that is anything DIRECTLY related to Amiga Inc ( such as DE,
AmigaAnywhere ) - and leave everything else alone so as
to avoid alienating AOS4 prospective owners/purchasers. In that
interpretation it is a political statement.

A more conciliatory interpretation would be that it was
an oversight.

At the end of the day if this is what this vendetta has spilled
over into then once A1XE + AmigaOS4 is out on the streets none
of it will matter and the egos involved will look like the usual
hotheads.

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I wonder how the current headline "RepliGo for Smartphones now available. Converts ANY document from your PC to you" fits into this scheme.

Good point. But I have to assume they have some kind of category system in which those topics are OK, as "tech news" or something, even though they aren't Amiga-related. Presumably under this system, AmigaDE, for example, would qualify as "tech news" if there was some kind of breakthrough or something even though it wouldn't be Amiga news per se. But in view of the company's/platform's history, the event might have to be a pretty big deal to qualify.

-- gary_c

Just popping in for the conversation.

Do I think Q&A are newsworthy? Yes.

Do I think there should be link from AO news to Q&A? Yes.

Does it matter that they are not on amiga.org's news? No.

I can stop by here every sunday (or now every second sunday) to read them. As so does everybody else who want to read them.
Maybe it's even better they are not served as news in AO, we all have seen how the threads has ended. And the same goes for ann.lu.

@MikeB
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The Q&A Sessions were intended to be targeted at the entire Amiga community, helping to address false rumours and worries.

Well, there is something you can do right now to help fix this. Notice the "Copyright © 2003 by Amigaworld.net. All rights reserved." on the bottom of each Q&A. That's fine and you can retain copyright but at least add a statement that the Q&A's are free as in freedom.

I think you should grant everyone the right to copy any portion or the entire Q&A to anywhere they want as long as they retain your copyright notice and statement of free distribution.

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But in view of the company's/platform's history, the event might have to be a pretty big deal to qualify.

Granted, it is up to a webmaster to decide what news value he thinks a news item has. However, I cannot personally see how a topic "More AmigaOne screen shots" which shows Linux and MacOS screenshots can have more news value then Fleecy's Q&A, or my personal favourite, "Don't forget Umilator!" which starts with a sentence saying that there is no Umilator news.