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Its not that childish to blame the game. if he wouldnt play it i dont think he would do that thing ;) But ofcourse this can be speculated. I also always say to my mom we cant blame the games/videos/magazines.... but still they give us an idea what we can do ;) or like some says... show us the way.

I do not agree with you on this. If computer games suggest "us" how to be violent, wouldn't movies like "saw", "the hills have eyes" etc.. do also?! And what about the news on TV, when they show something bad happened or some politician used some taxes revenue for his own purpose. Or even some old fairy tails, I for myself do not run around trying to blow down some pig-house.

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@Alef

I'm glad to see you are ok

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Well, the violence not only is present in the games and PC games, or we forget the movies as Rambo, Matrix; animation series, in some countries of Africa the people haven't PC or consoles and there are wars, kids with AK-47, the violence not is must to the PC games is for the mind of the people and the society, and the laws where to kill to one person is very single and low expensive.

@amigo1. It maybe dont affect you but not everyone is like you. People thinks im not like that then there isnt such a problem. i see in newspapers often stuff that reminds of horror movies. Like people that locks their daughters, other peoples small girls and have them there for years. Some of them kills. There were this swedish guy that picked up a girl and killed here and burried her. And they found other people he killed. Its like an movie of these serial killers. Then there was some other european guy that locked down his family, children or what it was in basement and even got a kid with one of them. When the police found him the neighbours wouldnt believe their ears. They told he seemed so nice.

But these are one of the many articles i read. Just see movies today and some years ago. Less cutting (censur) of gore scenes and more sex. I mean everything is more and more detailed even i get frightened or exited :) hehe. But if the wrong person looks at this............ pow... more food for his damaged brain.
The soap series with young people having sex infront of the camera. Dont you think it makes people change more partners, get raped etc.

We can speculate how much we can but you can see how the times changes, with less censur, more gore, more rapes, murders etc. But sure there has always been before too. Just this last year searching thru torrents i see there has been aloooot of new horror flicks. Many of them are b-movies but its an big increase. I dont like gore stuff.

Like empario says there dont must be a tv or pc to make stupid things. It can be other people controlling/affect you. Politics, religion whatever. Dont have to be on a cd or paper.Still it makes some people go mad.

News are good it let you know what is happening in the world.

I dont say the games and movies do say we should do it in real life. I say just it feeds the wrong brains with even more. So this is not something you or me would do. There is also positive things with games/movies. You look/play rather then go outside raving mad. I do :)

Kicko please shutup. You start to sound like your parents :D

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Well, the brain's very complex. Placing the blame directly on computer games, is rather vague, at best... anything could act as a catalyst for certain behaviours in some people. Some people react differently to others. I thoroughly enjoyed blowing the odd person to pieces in Half Life II. That does not mean I'd think of it as reality and assume it right to do so. Sure, that could go wrong for some people.

There's an interesting article here about the brain. It's no wonder, in certain situations it fails (for some) - conflicts

So here's the first fundamental problem: We have two systems for reacting to risk -- a primitive intuitive system and a more advanced analytic system -- and they're operating in parallel. It's hard for the neocortex to contradict the amygdala.

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When you examine the brain heuristics about risk, security and trade-offs, you can find evolutionary reasons for why they exist. And most of them are still very useful. The problem is that they can fail us, especially in the context of a modern society. Our social and technological evolution has vastly outpaced our evolution as a species, and our brains are stuck with heuristics that are better suited to living in primitive and small family groups.


A bit off-topic in places, but interesting nevertheless

Steve

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Very interesting, brain is a paralell device :D

@Kicko

It is very interesting I'm sure that 'reptilian complex' (responsible for rage, xenophobia, and basic survival fight-or-flight responses) is more predominant in many people than the 'neo-cortex' (sensory perception, generation of motor commands, spatial reasoning, conscious thought and language).



*grunts and throws a rock*

Steve

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Quote: have a reasonable stab @_Steve_ You do know how to pick 'em.

Well..... I did think about that just before I hit submit - even considered adding (no pun intended) but you know, one cannot help the phrases ones language adopts for these things

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@Kicko

I think that parents are responsible of their children and should control what their kids watch or play.

When I was a kid I remember that there was no so much violent content in hours where the children were awake. Children had cartoons and movies instead of reality shows full of people insulting each other and news didn't show so much blood.

I think that some people may like current TV but showing so much violence, swear words, sex in hours where the kids are awake should be forbidden (at least for public channels). I understand that it's parents responsibility to control the contents their children access but unless you have a pay-TV and you switch on always a cartoon channel (but sometimes even cartoons have violence or use rude language) it's difficult to find content. And when they grow without a pay-TV it's difficult to allow them to watch contents designed for older people.

About videogames the problem is the same: the parents should educate their children and control the contents.

If they leave their kids without any control and don't spend time educating them and teaching them to respect older people it's not strange that so many teenagers attack teachers and their own parents: they think they are the center of the world and that their parents have to obey them. Even if parents try their best to educate kids they could have bad luck and their kid may have violent behaviour or could end up on drugs but if parents don't do the effort to educate kids you can be sure that chances of bad education will increase. It's not just teacher's responsibility, it's also the parents one.

I'm glad I don't have kids

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This is where the computer kind of becomes the Holodeck in Star Trek and the problem becomes when these kids don't have any self-esteem or identity and when they can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality. Their family becomes the computer and the program sets the values through conditioning. It is a parenting problem and it is also a form of sickness.

I have friends who do play shooter games but I won't play shooter games. Normal people won't attack other people but when violence is normalized through the use of games, unbalanced kids cannot tell the difference so that is why educators start or need to start early in helping kids tell the difference between fantasy and reality, what is normal and what is not.

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Well... I gotta admit that after having a few hours fun driving Test Drive, it was a bit easier to push the pedal when driving my car, and the rear look mirror was often much used looking for police cars in uniform or civilian. So I have to say, I feel affected by computer games myself.

Hehe

Reminded me of Microprose F1 GP, back in the days I used to do "GP weekends" with friends, we played non-stop full season.
It was a bit tempting to "step on it" in order to pass the car in front on the way back home

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