This is very nice and all but how can we urge anyone in AInc to do anything let alone sell the Amiga brand?

Don't get me wrong, there is nothing I would like more but I just don't see how can we make any impact on AInc's decision.

If anyone know how tell me, I'm willing to help but I'm afraid that it is just not possible unless there is someone very close to the powers in AInc who is willing to persuade them to sell.

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Everyone knows that the Amiga 'community' is made up of
fanatics, idealists and zealots. Look at MooBunny's
documentation of the "Amiga Center @ Kent".

Naming a price in the stratosphere mostly confirms
the hypothesis that Amiga Inc. is merely serving as
a financial instrument for the "investors" who
currently hold it. At some point in time Amiga Inc.
must show it is a business and has a product or
service before they lose their tax protection.

Failing a purchase of AInc then an agreement for
a reasonable royalty payment from Hyperion/ACube
for continuing on OS4 and hardware development until
that big day when OS5 is rolled out on modern hardware.
What is so hard about replacing Eyetech with ACube
and allowing the Amiga community to enjoy their hobby?

Could we at least enquire as to how much Amiga Inc. was asking for? Hey, on the bright side, at least they were at least interested in selling, even it was for an outrageous amount!

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Good day,

Although I am less than thrilled with the current situation in which the Amiga finds itself, I do not know if a buyout is necessary. Why not petition the current investors/trustees of Amiga Inc. to fire Bill McEwen and Fleecy Moss, and give their positions to people with...

1) A good track record of leadership in a profitable company.
2) A knowledge of and prior usage of Amiga computers.
3) A knowledge of the nature of the competitive computer/it industry and niche markets.
4) The desire and know-how to get Amiga products (OS & hardware licensees) to market... preferably before Christmas of 2007.
5) A passion for the Amiga.

Of course such a change in leadership would happen with new owners; yet, is it necessary to see the Amiga change hands again? Seven years ago everyone thought Bill & Fleecy were rescuing Amiga from the incompetence of Gateway. Lets have some hindsight. Although I am sure DiscreetFX partners have good intentions, so did Bill & Fleecy.

If DiscreetFX partners can convince me that they will not be another dissapointment in the history of Amiga, then I will support their effort. I am just a bit skeptical, given the history of Amiga.

-The Phantom "?"

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@elatour

That's only bright news if your Paul Allen!

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@elatour

Quote:

How much is AI Worth

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=23931&forum=2

Enjoy!

#6

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I'm definitely with DiscreetFX on this mission. I too am disappointed in this past weekend's announcements (or lack thereof) from Pianeta Amiga of course at no fault of the more than dedicated Amiga vendors and developers that were there representing in something they greatly believe in. I mean, enough is enough, it's time for change...

It's time for an Amiga revolution (without any of the bloodshed of course)!

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I do hope someone could buy AI and start disrtibuting the OS.

My first question for you is do you have a plan worked out with Hyperion and all third party developers to move forward?

Good luck.

Kirka

@discreetfx



I better start saving my pennies and start planning my company's IPO.

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I wish you would have ask this a year ago. Perhaps it would have made more of a difference then and perhaps "the lawsuit" wouldn't exist today. (Or maybe it would)

I would make this alteration to your suggetion... Everyone interested in your proposition should get behind Hyperion any way you can. Support them in their case against KMOS. Even if you're not paticually a Hyperion fan, If KMOS looses, the IP may become less actractive to keep. Also pester KMOS endlessly (in legal ways only of course). Make them uncomfortable, make the IP even less attractive for them. It's a looooooonnnnnnnnnnng shot of course but what are your other real choices after 12 years since CBM's demise?

I don't understand why KMOS sits on the IP and strangles it as they do. Some really messed up, twisted, mal-intent going on there. (I can't beleive those involved can be that stupid myself.) Conspiracy theories are welcome, but a waste of breath after all these years.

Plaz
(Not calling the current owners by the Amiga name any more.)

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I don't understand why KMOS sits on the IP and strangles it as they do. Some really messed up, twisted, mal-intent going on there. (I can't beleive those involved can be that stupid myself.) Conspiracy theories are welcome, but a waste of breath after all these years.

It doesnt appear as if Amiga Inc are interested in keeping the scene alive. I'm not sure what they want to do with AmigaOS if the court case is resolved in their favour. I dont understand what their motives are.

@Tedd:

Well, this proposal sounds quite nice, but I have some (minor) problems with it:

First of all, if you're an investment banker you should know that the price for a good will raise, if the demand for this particular good raises. Your action will show a high demand for the IP and trademarks of Amiga Inc. to its owners, so most likely the lately given astronomical price they give to you won't get lower for sure.

Next one: Mobile market is nice, too, but where to get the necessesary hardware from? Do you have any manufacturer of mobile phone devices in back hand? If so, who is it? I don't think that there is any of the big players interested in another OS for their mobile devices, as most of them invested huge amounts in their own OS solutions (or buying out a competitor). How do you want to convince them to use AmigaOS instead? I don't see any concept here and a good concept is really needed for this way.

And another one: Buying out Amiga and a mobile device manufacturer willing to use AmigaOS given, how do you want to support software developers? How do you want to find developers necessary for hardware drivers, Bluetooth- and USB2.0/USB3.0 stacks and so on? What about application developers? How do you plan to support them? Remember that most of them are "bedroom programmers" right now and they would barely need some income in order to have their expenses while programming full time. How do you want to support these developers? Is there any funding planned for this purpose? Maybe on credit basis? If so, for what conditions? Which countries? And so on...

Well, to make it clear: I would like to see some action here, but I don't like half-finished plans showing some serious drawbacks and gaps and I don't like communications in a McEwen-style, showing some fascinating possibilities without showing any realities or at least a plan based on these realities.

Please fill the gaps, show us a real usable plan, the realities, the difficulties, the possibilities, support plans and so on. Maybe we will find a solution for the Amiga situation all together then, you and we, the Amiga community.

Regards

I applaud the effort DiscreetFX I really do. And I hope someday new direction and ownership is in the cards for us. However until Amiga, Inc. is forced to prove that it is a proper business with receivables - I don't think Kouri and the gang will move on any attempt to sell the little shelter-thing they have going. Let just hope for - um... a federal investigation maybe. :)

@PhantomInterrogative

I can understand your pause, you don't know me. But I think the CEO of DiscreetFX has more than proven he is capable of running the Amiga. Here is just a quick recap of what he has done.


1. Tracked down and released the source-code to the Amiga Video Toaster. Without him and others hot on the trail this may have been lost.

2. Christmas Amiga give aways of hardware and software.

3. Helping the developer of Pagestream in his time of need by buying and giving away several copies of Pagestream 4.0 Amiga OS 4.0 version.

4. Putting Amiga's in Oil Change the movie to build the brand.

5. Always promoting the Amiga and being very positive about it in interviews.

6. Donating to many bounty's for Amiga, AROS, MorphOS and others.

7. Hiring and helping Amiga contractors.

8. Starting the plan of DiscreetFX and partners saving the Amiga.

9. He knows what the hell an Amiga is and uses it all the time.

10. In the process of acquiring and updating much needed 3rd party professional software.

That is just a quick list, I'm sure there is more.


All the best

- Tedd

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It might be good to let the lawsuit play itself out and get the ownship questions settled. But I agree that the iron is hot and it is time to strike.

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I dont understand what their motives are.

I don't know if this is real or a rumor.

AInc has a buyer for os4, Hyperion doesn't want there work sold, so we have a legal fight over the s/w. Going price was around $2M, big bucks at stake if its true.

I don't know of any source to prove or disapprove this either way.

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Perhaps you guys can show off your capabilities by getting this completed?:

http://www.discreetfx.com/AmiZilla.html

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Is it possible for there to be some sort of class-action lawsuit? Sue under the theory that Scamiga, Inc have done everything in their power to prevent new hardware companies from licensing with them, by setting the goals so ridiculously high that not even a superhuman could pole-vault over it. Basically gather together every potential Amiga user who genuinely wanted an OS4-capable machine, and was thwarted from getting one by Scamiga's outright refusal to play ball with ANY manufacturer of machines.

Or maybe lots and lots and lots of smaller lawsuits. Death of a thousand cuts.

edit: added last sentence of first paragraph, then came back and added this statement.

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Here is the problem:

< 2nd grader>

"If I can't make millions off Amiga then NOBODY will!!"

*pouts*

*stomps off*


< /2nd grader>

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...wait... what?

@fairlanefastback


That's a contest, DiscreetFX does not do any coding on that project.

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