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Miscellaneous News   Miscellaneous News : DiscreetFX Partners Makes an Urgent Appeal to the Amiga Community
   posted by DiscreetFX on 25-Sep-2007 0:39:19 (128159 reads)
Hello Fellow Amiga users

Like many of you I tuned to this weekends events at the Pianeta Amiga show hoping for good news and the availability of Amiga OS 4.0 hardware. And like many of you I was very disappointed to see that OS 4.0 is still not available and the stalemate continues. This deeply saddens me, in another life I was an Amiga owner and enjoyed it for many years before I became an investment banker and no longer had time for Amiga fun. Today I have no Amiga systems but still have hopes for a new beginning. When the CEO of DiscreetFX came to me in early October 2006 with an idea to raise capital and attempt a buyout of the company I got excited. We hashed out a plan to bring Amiga back on mobile devices. Not the now out of business DE stuff but instead with OS 4.0. Today's smart phones are like the early 1980's battle of different computer platforms fighting to gain market share and user-bases. In the mobile space there is no 90% Microsoft dominance and Amiga could have a chance. The desktop would not be ignored, each would feed the other.


It has been almost a year now and Amiga has not given us a formal response except for an outright insane amount to buy out the company. Since October of 2006 Apple has announced , shipped and sold over 1 million iPhones. Competition is good, choice is good, Amiga OS 4 should also be in that space. But why is it not? Imagine a price for Amiga that is so big you would not believe, then add some and you will know $$$. I worked hard and gathered up a group of investors with DiscreetFX to do an honest and fair buyout of the Amiga brand. Amiga would not be a lost leader to us or a tax write off, we want it to grow. I urge you the Amiga community, the sane ones to contact Amiga Inc. and demand that they sell the company for a fair price and let the Amiga brand return. Amiga OS 4.0 is done, the SAM board is done, please let the madness end.

We don't want Tao Intent, we don't want DE, we don't want Windows CE development in India. We only want what everyone else wants. The return of Amiga! The CEO of DiscreetFX and myself love the Amiga, it changed the entire computer industry. Please help me to help you. Urge Amiga Inc. sell to us for a fair price. We will end the lawsuit, we will end the fighting., we wil end the madness. If we were in charge Amiga OS 4. 0 would be available today on SAM. Software sells hardware but how can software be developed in the current atmosphere. What would a new and upcoming developer use to develop for Amiga OS 4.0? The CEO of DiscreetFX is very busy trying to finish a movie and does not have the heart to write this kind of letter but I do. The Amiga belongs in the hands of those that love it. Members of the community, people that believed in it from the beginning. People that don't own or love sheep.

I have written too much but I hope my message is clear. Help me help you Amiga community. If you need me or have any questions I can be reached on my private gmail account. It is my name @ gmail.com. Thanks for listening.

Tedd Gallion
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Re: DiscreetFX Partners Makes an Urgent Appeal to the Amiga
Posted on 25-Sep-2007 20:01:55
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I don't agree one bit with what you wrote there. What they offered and what A Inc
demands that is his companys business not ours. There is no point in making that
figure public just because we are curious. DiscreetFX want to do exactly what every
one of us would like to do. To bring forth Amiga OS once and for all, and to push it forward
100%. What they ask from us is our support, if we agree then to send a message to
Amiga Inc. What harm do you think that can do ? Do you loose your dignity or something?
The fact that it is a news item may seem odd but I guess they really wanted our attention
this time. The moderators could easily have turned it into a normal discussion thread if
they wanted to. ( and I'm sure that happened before)




What they offered speaks to how viable their capability is to do something with the brand.

What Amiga said they wanted directly in comparison speaks to how realistic or not the request for our help might be.

Besides knowing about them talking about "Oil Change" for quite some time now there is little I know about their firm.

They approach us in a public forum and request something of us, to perform an action for them. They aren't asking us to implore Amiga to settle the suit, or do more with the brand, they are asking us to implore Amiga to sell the IP to them. Generally before I would agree to speak on someone's behalf I'd like to know that there is a good reason to do so.

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If someone magically showed up who could do the port and wanted the $10,400 would we now tell them not to do it because it benefits KMOS/Amiga Delaware?


If I thought holding up a project would help forge progress with real development in the present and future of AOS, then yes. I would ask them not to.... for now. However I'm not that clairvoyant.

On the other hand if some one wants to finish the port and collect the cash, they'll get no grief from me in doing so. Hurray for Amizilla. Clearly in the current state of affairs, a web browser alone is not going to save AOS anyway.

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This community is constantly abused by BS by various entities. If you are going to talk the talk lets seem some walking the walk as well for once


You're preaching to the choir here brother. Amen.

If the community can decide on a single clear goal some where, I think DFX would assist. What should that goal be? Bigger bettter minimig, browser completion, MOS and/or AROS ports to SAM? Decide and I think DFX would lend aid.

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@fairlanefastback

You have to search hard to find another company more devoted to Amiga than
them. I don't think they have to prove anything to us. It would be some wierd business
if you have to win some contest first to get the our support, I don't know whom
else we require that from. A mail to AI doesn't cost any money. It might get Amiga
Inc's eyes open once and for all. (Personally I don't belive AI cares but if DFX wants
to push it anyway, then why not. We are in a legal jimbo now atleast 6 months forward.)

Here's an interview with DFX if you want to know more about them.
Link


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Seems like we made osnews again...

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@Plaz

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If the community can decide on a single clear goal some where, I think DFX would assist. What should that goal be? Bigger bettter minimig, browser completion, MOS and/or AROS ports to SAM? Decide and I think DFX would lend aid.


I'd like to see a Minimig 1200, with built in 68060 and PPC. Legal to build, OS 4 Classic compatible, and with AGA for running all my favourite games and demos!

All the user needs to provide is a Kickstart file.


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Seems like we made osnews again...


Of course. We are watching you.

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DiscreetFX will get involved in minimeg and help if that's what the Amiga community wants.

I think it's fairly clear to everyone here that this court case (and the ensuing appeals) are going to take at least another year to resolve, and the set of people who have the technical skills to grow the amiga is getting smaller by the day. In the meantime, the alternatives are also limping along: the Efika is between revisions, and while MorphOS and AROS are steadily progressing, development is going very slowly indeed.

We need action now, or else we risk losing everything; if I may be so bold, I would like to humbly suggest that you take the money you were going to use to buy out Amiga Inc, and use it instead to support commercial development of the minimig and AROS. You've seen people's reaction to the minimig: awesome idea, would definitely buy one, but building it is beyond my skills. That my friend is a market opportunity right there, and I daresay you are in the right place and at the right time to take advantage of it. Talk with Dennis and the AROS team, find a good small scale manufacturer, and sell people what they're asking for (an amiga computer!) You'll probably want to do a few surveys here to find out the finer details, eg whether to add a custom enclosure and keyboard with italic "A" keys (I'd gladly pay extra for those, but others may not).

Eventually the OS4 debacle may or may not get resolved, but in the meantime you'll have given the Amiga a foothold on the future, with open source hardware and an open source OS. Your burden would not be R&D - the community will take care of that, adding the features they need when they need them. All you need to do is manage the business side of things, which judging by the age of DiscreetFX it's something you're clearly good at.

As a side effect, since this is going back to the roots, I believe that this will go a long way towards getting rid of the last vestiges of infighting inside the greater Amiga community.

In short, other than the return of Commodore, I think this is probably the best thing that could happen to the Amiga right now. Please consider it.

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The only thing is we would hate to step on Jen's toes and the Clone-A. To much fighting and splinting in the Amiga community already. Jen's has been kind of silent though.


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Jen's has been kind of silent though.


You mean since the incident here on AW in April? or more recently?

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In short, other than the return of Commodore, I think this is probably the best thing that could happen to the Amiga right now. Please consider it.


I totally, absolutely, 100% agree with your whole post.

@DiscreetFX

Rather than working against Jens/Individual Computers, how about forming some sort of partnership? If not the Minimig, then perhaps mass production of the Clone A?

Or even an extensible Minimig with add on cards from Individual Computers? Running existing Classic software, and providing a base for AROS 68k.

Or how about a wedge keyboarded Minimig A700, and a big box CloneA5000 with PPC!


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What happened in April?


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Hmm, forgot about that. You could talk to Jens, see what his thoughts are. This project's aims would be served just as well by using MiniMigs or CloneA's. A partnership would be good for the project (the financial risk would be split, and there would be a corporate presence on both sides of the Atlantic), but I have no idea if he would be amenable to it.

On the minus side, going with CloneA means we lose the open source hardware (however, Jens has historically been very good about supporting his wares). On the plus side, if you go with CloneA instead of MiniMig, Dennis probably wouldn't care

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@DiscreetFX

What about leading AROS to SAM440? What if OS4 will never get to SAM? SAM can be a cheap and widely availabe PowerPC hardware to all amiga fans, bundled with a full featured, enhaced AROS, a fancy `amiga like` case and keyboard with italic `A` keys, as was already mentioned. Join forces with ACube, manufacture it in bigger quantity and it will surely make it cheaper.
Once the court case is solved we can think about OS4 and the Amiga IP and brand. Not to mention that from an enhanced opensource AROS port to SAM, OS4 can also benefit later.

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Jens has been working with Viprinet on their Multichannel VPN Router.

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AROS badly needs UAE integration to be completed.


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I have to agree completely with both gleng and codesmith.
It also does not matter for me if it is the clone-a or minimig that is the end result, as they both look like very exciting projects.
The sooner such a project is available for purchase, the better...
The best would of course be to go the offical way and get a license, so one could truly turn it into a commerical product that could be sold in stores like the commodore in a joystick. But i guess that is pretty far fetched as i doubt Amiga INC would co operate there either.. But i think they will sell good, as long as it is easy to for the users to transfer the rom image over to the device.

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AROS badly needs UAE integration to be completed.


There is an open bounty for that.

http://thenostromo.com/teamaros2/?number=7

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What about leading AROS to SAM440? What if OS4 will never get to SAM? SAM can be a cheap and widely availabe PowerPC hardware to all amiga fans, bundled with a full featured, enhaced AROS, a fancy `amiga like` case and keyboard with italic `A` keys, as was already mentioned. Join forces with ACube, manufacture it in bigger quantity and it will surely make it cheaper.

Why would anyone buy that when you can run Aros on a cheaper but faster x86 box? The problem with Aros is the lack of hardware compitability"drivers", software base and such. This is why Aros is not usable for the average user yet, since you just cannot use it for daily tasks yet and a port to Sam will not solve this and will most likely slow down developement of the other areas of the OS.
What Aros needs is more devs and bounties for drivers and software ports and some kind of emulaiton layer.

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What about leading AROS to SAM440? What if OS4 will never get to SAM? SAM can be a cheap and widely availabe PowerPC hardware to all amiga fans, bundled with a full featured, enhaced AROS, a fancy `amiga like` case and keyboard with italic `A` keys, as was already mentioned. Join forces with ACube, manufacture it in bigger quantity and it will surely make it cheaper.


There is a bounty for that too:

http://thenostromo.com/teamaros2/?number=60


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Amiga Inc. has to understand that even if it was not intended, their inaction for almost 8 years has caused damage to the Amiga brand and customer base. Look what Apple has done since 2000. The damage done has to be reflected in the price that Amiga would be sold for, if and when they want to sell the company. A new owner would have to spend more money rebuilding the brand. Unless Amiga is doing some amazing things in the background the value of Amiga has be affected. It will cost more money rebuilding the Amiga image and setting it up than what it costs to buy the company. Also, Acer's perspective should be investigated. I'm sorry Tedd let his frustration spill over into aw.net, my position is let them screw up, die then the ashes will be cheap to buy. It's very sad that OS 4.0 is done but it can't be sold, it's upserd.

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