can we discuss the software and not the wording of the news item please?
edit: or rehashed legal discussion

Last edited by jahc on 17-Jun-2009 at 09:24 PM.

AmigaOS should be all sorts. AmigaOS 3.x, AmigaOS 4, MorphOS and AROS. Because if you mean AmigaOS 3.x and write AmigaOS and mean AmigaOS 4 it would be very wrong. Why? Because AmigaOS 3.x can't run AmigaOS 4 programs. It needs its own version of OWB for example to work.

So saying that AmigaOS 4 is AmigaOS is correct, but always have AmigaOS 4 in the same line.

MorphOS and AROS is other types of AmigaOS. They all share some code, but aren't really compatible, except AmigaOS 4 and MorphOS which got 68k AmigaOS compatibity.

Removed last sentence, please keep international politics out of this /tomazkid

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@Samwel

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I disagree.. A new software release for OS4 should say "for Amiga OS".. Because OS4 is actually the latest version of said OS.

That's like saying that if Adobe released an updated photoshop that only worked on Windows7 they just had to put in the requirements "for Windows" assuming that everyone has updated to Windows7 and ignoring the tons of users with XP or Vista.


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This is how it works for every other OS around so why not for Amiga OS?

I see games and apps that require Windows Vista or WindowsXP but I don't see a single product that simply requires "Windows".

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If any software doesn't work for OS4 they should state "for Amiga OS 3.x" instead.

That's not how it works. Software requirements should state the minimum config and also possible known incompatibilities.

Saying in an amiga forum that a program requires AmigaOS is as vague as saying that certain program requires a personal computer

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Saying in an amiga forum that a program requires AmigaOS is as vague as saying that certain program requires a personal computer

read the summary on the front page. why would they upload os3 software to os4depot?

Because TvPaint which is a 68k app is on MorphOS Files site ;p its all mixed ;p insanity

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OWB is now my main browser despite current inconveniences. One of those that bugs me is a great delay on some sites in rendering the last few kb of whatever page I'm looking at.

In earlier OWB times this happened with most pages but now there are much fewer. One of the chief offenders is any page from realclimate, for instance:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/06/a-saturated-gassy-argument

OWB once started takes about 12 secs to visually complete this page but 67 seconds to finally complete it so one can scroll down say. On reload it takes 4-5 secs to be visually complete but 57 seconds to finally load.

For contrast iBrowse takes 14s to completely load first time then about 8 s on reload or from cache.

So what can be the explanation? Could it be the 3 javascrpts from external sources that load with the page or something else? Can anything be done about it?

Noel

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Just tried your link, took less then 10 sec to load for me, maybe the site was slow when you tried?

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Less than ten seconds to fully load on Sam and 4.1.

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Posting with Origyn Web Browser 3.15 for AmigaOS 4.1. I have been using it for less than half an hour, will try out some more stuff.

Thanks.
redfox

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I see games and apps that require Windows Vista or WindowsXP but I don't see a single product that simply requires "Windows".

Never seen "Games for Windows" ?

Of which most does not work with Win ME/98 or previous anymore.

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Update ....

Working great so far. I have no problems on any of the sites I normally visit. Posted fine on the three amiga oriented forum sites I frequent. Also downloaded an mp3 file.



redfox

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@NoelFuller

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OWB once started takes about 12 secs to visually complete this page but 67 seconds to finally complete it so one can scroll down say. On reload it takes 4-5 secs to be visually complete but 57 seconds to finally load.

I have similar problems with this website using OWB on both my µA1-C and Pegasos II. As you describe the pages loads almost to completion and then appears to hang/lock OWB for a minute or more?

Maybe its because I am also looking at the page from New Zealand?

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@NoelFuller
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So what can be the explanation?

IBrowse makes multiple simultaneous connections (the number can be set in prefs) and takes advantage of multitasking. If one requested item is delayed on one connection the other connections continue to D/L data items. You would have to ask Joerg if OWB uses multiple connections and multithreads. If not, one stalled item could delay the whole page D/L.

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If not, one stalled item could delay the whole page D/L.

That does happen with both FF and IE too, so guess OWB is very much up to "modern standards".

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@tomazkid

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Never seen "Games for Windows" ? Of which most does not work with Win ME/98 or previous anymore.

The requirements come very soon stating that Win XP is required, DirectX v9, some hundreds of megabytes of memory and the rest of that. It's never stated that it simply requires "Windows".

Btw, since there are more AmigaOS 3.x users than AmigaOS4 ones you can see the comparison is not exactly the same: you won't see a single game that requires Windows Vista and does not work on XP because XP is still used a lot.

I mean: the title should be explanatory, is it so hard to add "for AmigaOS 4.x" on OS4 software news? most of users still use AmigaOS 3.x. So remove "for AmigaOS" or add "for AmigaOS 4.x" but fix it.

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@crumb

Have you considered that OWB has been for OS4 users now for some time??

ALSO

Dont you have a sam yet?

Sam wants you, and needs you, go by one! hahahahahaha.

Cheers.

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the comparison is not exactly the same: you won't see a single game that requires Windows Vista and does not work on XP because XP is still used a lot.

You're wrong, there are various games that are Vista exclusives.

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@Gebrochen

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Have you considered that OWB has been for OS4 users now for some time??

Yes, but I fail to see the connection with the tittle of the news item. OWB is also available for AmigaOS 3.x and since AmigaOS 4.x is backwards compatible AmigaOS3.x version should run on it. If the AmigaOS3 version had been updated and news item just stated "AmigaOS" it wouldn't be a problem since all the users could run it. In contrast AmigaOS 4.x version won't run on AmigaOS 3.x so news item is not clear.

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Dont you have a sam yet?

I don't plan to buy overpriced and underpowered hardware, thanks. I already have my classics for that.

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Sam wants you, and needs you, go by one! hahahahahaha.

I would buy AmigaOS 4.x for Mac Mini G4 if that is relevant

@Nibunnoichi

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You're wrong, there are various games that are Vista exclusives.

Since 99% of games aren't Vista-only I guess I'm right. I don't see Blizzard or IdSoftware releasing games just for Vista or Windows7.

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Guys... please, keep to topic, ok?

If you want to chew the fat then go to the 'What is an Amiga?' thread.

Here, all that is necessary is a happy and hearty, "Thank you, Joerg!" OK?

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