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The situation was not helped either by the Chinese New Year celebrations.

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unfortunately the Taiwanese supplier did not respond to our communications.

interesting, very interesting...


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We already have enough PA6T CPUs in hand and we have also secured supplies of the SB600 south bridge chip

SB600 = year 2006..ops, now it's 2011...
PA6T = out

This X1000 is based on out productions hardware...

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"This X1000 is based on out productions hardware..."
Still it is the most advanced PowerPC desktop HW ever.


Other than that...

It's nice to have some news.

And it will be nice to read more about the XMOS subsystem, especially the pinout.

From negative side ... I recently noticed that 8GB of 1066Mhz DDR2 cost almost 2x as much as 8GB 1333Mhz DDR3...

I hope we see x1000 in the shops THIS year.



btw. Is the "demo" implementation of some xorro device progressing? TrevorD?

btw2. Noticed a few recent news items @ a-eon and the obligement article.
And the arrow in this picture does not point to xorro slot. Xorro is the next one towards PCI.
http://obligement.free.fr/gfx/amigaonex1000_pa6t_1.jpg
And the "Mem bandwidth" of PA6T is 2x 1067 MHz DDR2 (not just 1x))

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such progress report as this could have been released without asking for it so many times. thanks nevertheless.

If you read it carefully, you'll see that they waited until they could say "we had a problem, but we solved it" instead of "we have a problem and hope to solve it soon." This makes it a much more meaningful update. I think that they would have released this even if no-one were badgering them for updates.

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(Oh, and am I the only one who thinks that 5.1 analog out needs 3 jacks, not 6? Seeing as each stereo jack carries two channels... Does AHI even support anything beyond stereo?)

The specs say "7.1 channel HD audio," so that would be four jacks for the output. However, you also have a microphone jack and a headphone jack, which pads it out to 6.

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I think that they would have released this even if no-one were badgering them for updates.

I seriously doubt it, but hey who am I to complain. As long as they make the project succed!

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i think even if they openly admitted having a problem but working on it, it would be better that let the spaculation arise as to that project has run into a dead end, and been cancelled. as you see from overall reaction it is generally much more positive to actual progress report as ro lack of such.

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(Oh, and am I the only one who thinks that 5.1 analog out needs 3 jacks, not 6? Seeing as each stereo jack carries two channels... Does AHI even support anything beyond stereo?)

Yes, But then what about the Mic, Line In or Center/Sub-woofer Out jacks? I suppose Varisys could have double ganged a couple triple jack connectors to achieve the same result, depending on how the connectors were wired. But as Mr. Barnes said, it probably wouldn't have been a "preferred option".

AHI does support a 'HiFi 7.1' mode, and so I guess, effectively, 5.1 is supported as well.

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Certain sound chips support auto-detecting connection types but need software / driver support, which may or may not be possible to implement easily without large modifications to AHI (I've no idea)... So, while on a PC with Windows the driver and support suite would ask the user whether the connection was, say, sub+centre or line in, it might be too much work to add that to our AHI, and therefore easier to have separate connectors.

Besides, I'm sure people would appreciate not having to faff about at the back of their towers when they wanna use line in for something and have to disconnect their speakers to make that possible...

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Poster: KimmoK Date: 10-Mar-2011 21:01:05 "This X1000 is based on out productions hardware..." Still it is the most advanced PowerPC desktop HW ever.

Quite debatable. I guess the G5 Powermacs and the Terrasoft YDL G5 computers lead here...

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"Street" test needed.
There are differences which nobody was able to measure between the architecture of the PA6T and G5. Differences that while might not show in synthetic benchmarks (which not only tend to be irrelevant, they are also done differently by different people), might show up in Blender's rendering times.
To make an example of the quirkiness you sometime get:

Blender test G3 VS G4 (render time, less is better):

AmigaOne G3 733Mhz: 12:56:03

AmigaOne G4 800Mhz: 13:19:62

It was explained by an engineer that the shorter pipeline design of the G3 makes it very efficient.

Now if I recall correctly the PA6T has a shorter and very efficicient pipeline too, it also sports the best branch prediction engine of any PPC chip (up to G5 at least) and the largest L1 cache.

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Quite debatable. I guess the G5 Powermacs and the Terrasoft YDL G5 computers lead here...

These computers require even more power than Core 2 Quad based PC of my brother and they are more than loud.

X1000 offers nearly the same raw performance (actualy better in some regards - eg. GFX cards) and has much more power efficient CPU (PA6T vs 970MP).

@DAX

G3 CPUs are faster than G4 in some synthetic benchmarks (eg SpecInt2000). Threre are also differnces in L2 cache (750FX: 512 kB, 7451: 256 kB).

Then use an iMac g5, they are rather energy efficient (about 75 W *includig* monitor) and since the 2nd core of the PA6T is superflous anyway during the foreseeable future (or is anybody really believing the SMP for OS4 fairytale). Maybe we'll see some AMP interface, but then again we would need apps that actually would use that interface.
The PA6T is not that überprocessor. Yes it is (for ppc) nice, it is energy efficient, but it is outdated, EOL and limited in a few areas.
If you want modern ppc stuff go QorIQ. Okay recently some OS4 folks discovered that chip family, too. Late, but at least. In the meantime a 86xx solution would have been the far more clever solution. Especially the 8610. Cheap, powerful, ernergyeffient, integrated, not (yet) EOL. If you wnat a useless 2nd core use 864xD. A 300-500 EUR 8610 board would have been possible.
I'd still suggest Acube to have a look to 86xx, but as time passes on the 86xx doesn't get more competetive...

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Then use an iMac g5

Nice computer - without doubt. However, little bit limited in comparison to X1000 (only 128 MB X600 GFX card).

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The PA6T is not that überprocessor

It offers best features of all avaiable PowerPC CPUs:

8610
single core
up to 1333 MHz
32 KB I and D caches
256 kB L2 cache
up to 533 MHz DDR2
133 MHz local bus
x8 PCIe link width

PA6T-1682M
dual core
up to 2000 MHz
64 kB I and D caches
2 MB L2 cache
up to DDR2-1066
1000 MHz bus
x16 PCIe link


If you want "cheaper" computer with limited features, 8610 is good choice. If you want proper PCIe x16, faster bus etc. - PA6T is ideal candidate.

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hehe to me it is

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About the PA6T being the best - do you hav eany real world benchmark at hand? What about price/performnce ratio?
The specs of teh PA6T aren't too shabby for a ppc, nobody'S going to deny that. but the effort to build a working computer around that is just not worth the hassle in my books.
Eiteh ruse what's there (i.e. Mac gear, which in case of G5 s even faster) or use better suited processors like 86xx family or now QorIQ.
But okay, we had the discussions before, some of us did deep elaborations, some have diffeent opinions. My conclusions is that the Aeon approch is - sorry to say so - rather a stupid one which aims more to hot air than an actual reasonable outcome.

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do you hav eany real world benchmark at hand?

http://www.ll.mit.edu/HPEC/agendas/proc08/Day3/C1-Bueno-Poster.pdf

(simple benchmarks of dual core solutions: PA6T, 8641D, 2*970FX)

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or use better suited processors like 86xx family or now QorIQ.

86xx offers worser/less features than PA6T, e500 QorIQ still doesn´t have AltiVec.

Who is this Italian company providing the audio chip?

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