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Re: What's in a name? Posted on 24-Oct-2013 18:13:47
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Re: What's in a name? Posted on 24-Oct-2013 18:14:46
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| If causing chaos is not the goal: 1. Leave prefixes like "A" (specially) or "AX" out as it just adds confusion and could make users confuse old classics with modern ppc machines. 2. Leave out suffixes like slash + 20, 30, 40 or 60 as it just adds confusion with 680x0 cpus used with classics. _________________ The only spanish amiga news web page/club: CUAZ
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Re: What's in a name? Posted on 24-Oct-2013 19:08:41
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| Good Day,
Numbering should make some sense IMHO.
So like this,
1St digit = number of cores,
2nd digit = Altivec, 0 for no,1 for yes.
3rd and 4th digit = clock. So for example my A1XE 1Ghz would have been an X1110, 1=core ,altivec 1=yes, 10=1Ghz. The X1000 would have been X2118.
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Re: What's in a name? Posted on 24-Oct-2013 20:17:56
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Wasn't the original idea of that One in AmigaOne the machine has one CPU or CPU core.
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No. IIRC, the "one" stands for "unity", or "one OS to rule them all" or something like that: whatever CPU (x86, PPC, MIPS, Alpha - IIRC) you were using in your AmigaONE, it would always run AmigaDE.
AmigaDE never showed up, so the only AmigaOnes ever built were the ones from Eyetech, because they were initially targeting AmigaOS. But the original plan was to have AmigaOnes from many different outlets, using different CPU options.
These days, Hyperion only has a license for the "AmigaOne" brand - but if you pronounce it like AMIGA(one), it sounds remotely similar to the real thing, so that's what they're using. |
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Re: What's in a name? Posted on 24-Oct-2013 21:05:38
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Re: What's in a name? Posted on 24-Oct-2013 21:57:59
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| Didn't Bill McEwan said that the ONE in the AmigaONE is because it have one core? So in theory the Aeon Amigas should be named AmigaTWO and AmigaFour ![](https://amigaworld.net/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif)
EDIT : I realize now that I'm not the first to say this this happens to me for not reading every post before commenting
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Wasn't the original idea of that One in AmigaOne the machine has one CPU or CPU core. So dual core should be AmigaTwo and four core AmigaFour. PowerAmiga sounds more cool definetly. (But I guess it's all of licensing what names can be used.) Q sounds cute but I think X should be kept so people knows it's a follower of X1000. |
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I agree - never understood why it was kept as it was a throwback from the old Amiga Inc. days of talking and no action when (if memory serves correct) it was used to indicate the number of CPUs or cores in each machine - there would have been an AmigaTWO etc. |
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Re: What's in a name? Posted on 24-Oct-2013 22:15:02
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| Due to complete boreness today I went to google zico specs:
http://www.raycomp.com/AmigaONEfaq.html
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Q. Why is the AmigaOne nothing more than a PC specification?
The Zico specification is the minimum set required for the AmigaOne certification process. It represents the low end of an AmigaOne product.
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Nowhere is said it cant have more than one CPU or core.Last edited by itix on 24-Oct-2013 at 10:15 PM.
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Re: What's in a name? Posted on 25-Oct-2013 0:38:32
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First choice: (12) AmigaOne Cyrus X3041 AmigaOne Cyrus X5020 AmigaOne Cyrus X5040
Second choice: (11) AmigaOne Cyrus X3500 AmigaOne Cyrus X5000/20 AmigaOne Cyrus X5000/40
My own suggestion: AmigaOne Cyrus X2000 / 32 / 02 -> X2000 / 302 AmigaOne Cyrus X2000 / 64 / 02 -> X2000 / 602 AmigaOne Cyrus X2000 / 64 / 04 -> X2000 / 604
Or simply: AmigaOne Cyrus 302 AmigaOne Cyrus 602 AmigaOne Cyrus 604 Last edited by marko on 25-Oct-2013 at 01:04 AM. Last edited by marko on 25-Oct-2013 at 01:02 AM. Last edited by marko on 25-Oct-2013 at 12:58 AM. Last edited by marko on 25-Oct-2013 at 12:58 AM.
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Re: What's in a name? Posted on 25-Oct-2013 7:49:12
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I think the X should be in there to continue the new tradition, plus have an A in there when there is already the word 'Amiga' in the name doesn't make sense. The X gives a nod to Xena and Linux which is appropriate IMHO.
1st choice:
AmigaOne X5020 AmigaOne X5040
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AmigaOne X5000/20 AmigaOne X5000/40
Although I like the tradition of having the processor reference after a backlash (Commodore style) I think the building it in, as with my first choice, is more 'radio friendly' and looks better, less like some strange maths equation ![](https://amigaworld.net/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
An alternative...?
AmigaOne 5000/20 AmigaOne 5000/40
Thanks for the efforts in bringing more new hardware! Fingers crossed I can afford this one. Last edited by gtmooya on 25-Oct-2013 at 08:00 AM.
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Re: What's in a name? Posted on 25-Oct-2013 10:02:14
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Re: What's in a name? Posted on 25-Oct-2013 10:51:05
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| What happened to the simple X? I think the most obvious succession would be AmigaONE X2000 since it is a direct successor of the X1000 and still have Xena, or the variations X2020/X2040 to indicate number of cores.
Where did the A come from in AX?
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Re: What's in a name? Posted on 25-Oct-2013 15:35:33
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| I agree with Deniil715 (#31) in that the most obvious & logical name is missing from the list - X2000.
Why not keep things ordered & simple. IMHO the most appropriate names would be:
AmigaOne X2000 ec - for the P3041 (P3 series) as its significantly lower spec CPU to the P5.
AmigaOne X2000 - for the P5020.
AmigaOne X2000+ - for the P5040.
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AmigaOne X1500 - for the P3041.
AmigaOne X2000 - for the P5020 OR BOTH P5 based models - as they are very similar.
AmigaOne X2500 - for the P5040 (if not calling both P5 models X2000). Last edited by Tpod on 25-Oct-2013 at 06:37 PM.
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Re: What's in a name? Posted on 25-Oct-2013 16:44:05
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| My big issues is that new product's don't interfere with the previous naming scheme.
We don't need another A2000, A3000, or anything C= line. We have those, let them stand for the glory that they are.
Name collision also causes problem with internet (google) searching and confuses new people to the platform.
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Re: What's in a name? Posted on 26-Oct-2013 5:19:47
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Re: What's in a name? Posted on 26-Oct-2013 8:44:56
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| Ye, I dont like the "A" prefix. Not because from a "pureist" point of view vs the Commodore line. The mixup with the old names, plus the Amiga X1000 already gives decent hits and direction on Google, so contiuing the "x" prefix would be preferable. X1000, 2000 etc etc.
Many of the suggestions are very underwhelming. Doesnt catch the attention of anyone except the existing crowd. A cynic will say "doesnt matter, noone but the exisiting Amiga nutters will hear or care about it anyhow!", but that shouldnt be the basis you name something. Should name for expansion and attractive name on stands and newsreleases. Shouldnt be too long and complex, to the point where you risk getting your tounge in a knot. Last edited by Overflow on 26-Oct-2013 at 08:47 AM.
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Re: What's in a name? Posted on 28-Oct-2013 2:20:42
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| In the spirit of KISS:
AmigaOne X1000 (Nemo-based) => AmigaOne X2000 (Cyrus-based)
Other companies generally distinguish configuration differences (e.g. CPU) by a part number, but not the name itself. However if uniqueness is required:
AmigaOne X2000/15 AmigaOne X2000/20 AmigaOne X2000/24 Last edited by nightwing on 28-Oct-2013 at 05:55 AM.
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Re: What's in a name? Posted on 29-Oct-2013 21:28:16
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| Im with Marko on this one.
Simply name it Amiga Cyrus (or AmigaOne as i guess is necessary).
And then if you plan on making more than just one of these Cyrus based machines, you make more distinction between different versions:
AmigaOne Cyrus One AmigaOne Cyrus Two
if there are two designs, one one core and another one multicore, maybe then even;
Amigaone Cyrus One X2 (model one - 2 cores version)
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Amigaone Cyrus V1 Amigaone Cyrus V2
Amigaone Cyrus 1 Amigaone Cyrus 2
or even
Amigaone Cyrus 1000
giving possiblity to name stripped down version 500 and multicore 2000
That way it is easier to recognise even for us who are less tech heady. And if i would see this machine somewhere, and would then want to google about it, Having Cyrus in its name, would bring me to these original messages titles Cyrus something that have already been written about it, making it easier to find info and recognise in future too. |
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Re: What's in a name? Posted on 31-Oct-2013 12:10:24
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| After going through the thread, my favorites: X3041 or X1500/4 X5020 or X2000/2 X5040 or X2400/4
The first shows clearly that the system has xena and certain CPU. Second options hints about the clockrate and number of cores (=rough performance hint). (if we have QorlQ T series one day, the naming only becomes harder??)
(also... idea for pricing: EUR1500, EUR2000 and EUR2400 All cheaper than x1000, but too pricey for me (tm))
..for QorlQ T generation... X1020 or X1400/2 X2080 or X1800/8+ X4240 or X1800/24+
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x1000 first generation x1500/4 second generation, P3041 based x2000/2 -"- 5020 based x2000/4 -"- 5040 based x3000/2ec third generation T1020 based or perhaps X1020 as it should be very similar to x1000.... x3000/8 third generation 2080 based x4000/24 ... 4240 based
everything below x1000 in performance should be below 1000 in numbering .... So if Acube releases some new dualcore it could be F600 F800 etc. if it has xena, then X600 etc...
(good that I do not do the naming.....) ![](https://amigaworld.net/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif) Last edited by KimmoK on 31-Oct-2013 at 12:36 PM. Last edited by KimmoK on 31-Oct-2013 at 12:32 PM.
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Re: What's in a name? Posted on 31-Oct-2013 16:37:10
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| @Itix
Thankyou for that! I've been trying to locate those specifications for years now. I knew I'd read them somewhere back in ~2003-2004, but had never been able to find them again since.
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Re: What's in a name? Posted on 1-Nov-2013 2:28:34
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| It's worth bearing in mind Commodore never released anything called the Amiga A2000 for instance... It was the Amiga 2000 or A2000 for short, so having AmigaOne followed by an A and then a number makes no sense. The X, to mean means it's has a Xena in it, thus AmigaOne Xxxxx is probably the most appropriate naming scheme, and yes avoiding the numbers that have gone before makes sense. _________________ Sven Harvey Amiga Mart in Micro Mart, Geekology 4M@, and other places A1000, A2000, A1500 A500, CDTV, A500+, A600, A4000, A1200, CD32, AT A1200HD, A1-XE
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