So presuming it stays at $35000 and the price of the software is $100.
You need 350 people to purchase the program just to make your money back.
So what are the odds on that happening?
They obviously recognise that they aren't going to get 350 new purchases.
Are they right?
And you have to remember there would be additional coding required to port to OS4, and as its not open source, you would have to pay someone additionally to do it.

Well, it would be grand if a fund was created, sort of like a bounty that people could contribute to in order to obtain a port. Perhaps the people who contribute now, actually obtain shares in a company created to own the code and obtain profits if or when they materialise. The people doing the port for OS4 would gain additional shares, and of course if you own the shares you get the software free.

Its a slightly different scenario to a Firefox bounty in that due to GPL you can't resell it and make a profit. The bounty is it.

I dunno, I'm just kicking around some ideas. Its odd to be in a position where you are begging for a port, but if the community contributed and supported its further development then maybe something could happen. Its different from an open source project in that you could actually buy into the project and maybe, apart from usage of the program, obtain a return on your investment.

Hmmm...Maybe some sort of body should be created in order to ensure that useful Amiga software like this does not go by the wayside and that the community can buy into its success.

Ok. Going back to my happy place now.

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Maybe KMOS should buy it, port it to AmigaDE and make it one of their showcase programs.

Ok. Going back to my happy place now.

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Hi all,

There's 8 days left in the auction.

Run a 5 day poll and see how many would contribute to getting it.

I would only vote yes, based on it staying "closed source", therefore going to one company, and can spend US $80. It would take 438 members to buy it, at that amount.

500 members = $70
700 members = $50 = cost of "Club Amiga" membership

The amount they're asking for, I don't think is unreasonable.


OR

I'd send Hyperion or KMOS $50 to buy it.

I agree with some of the posters here... yes it would be a nice idea for KMOS to buy it and bundle it free with OS4.. but at the same time we need other things more, like a browser.. but wouldnt it be cool to bundle something like that with an OS.. kids could get started with 3d stuff instead of playing solitaire or using ms paint. Yeah I dont know what to do. If A1's sell in bigger quantities in future, they could make the money back easily.. its a hard situation. I think KMOS will probably leave it though.

Couple of things on this

Firstly, I don't find the quality of Aladdin's renders to be particularly good, in comparison to other Amiga 3D packages (Cine4D, Imagine, Tornado). It's definatly not up to scratch with any mainstream application. (I suppose that's just my opinion though)

Secondly, Aladdin seems to have not been worked on in a very long time. When was the last release? There aren't even any updates or patches on Nova's site. If you take a look at the code snippets, you'll see although the copyright is up-to-date, the revision history is 8 years old. It could just be that they've chosen code that hasn't needed to be touched for sometime, but my suspicions lead me to believe that there has not been any major work on it for a very considerable amount of time.

While I think Kermit and Nova are the dudes and that ImageFX has been vital to the miggy's survival, I think that Aladdin is a dead end, and it's sale doesn't warrent the kind of hysteria displayed by some people here.

IMHO the Realsoft port and Imagine are our best hopes for decent 3D software on OS 4.

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And the idea is to update the application so that it meets more modern requirements, right???

Well so you need US $35,000.00 to get the source and how much you expect will be needed to get it uptodate? It will be HUGE amount of money and I have to say I can't imagine how to make something good in this one window view (sorry I am using LW for ages)

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I don't image that there are that many Doom3 modders out there just yet. There are many more modding for the likes of UT, UT2k3/2k4, Half Life, Quake I/II/II, etc...

well most games mods are custom maps. These are created in specialized editors for the games or game engines. But for new objects and characters ? LW, MAX and sometimes Cinema are used the most.

@Atheist,

Or like Al said to Ray-Ray in that ephisode ...
"C... c.. ..c... can't we all just g.. g.. g.. get along...?"


But I have to agree you have some valid points there my friend.

/shoe

Yeh, why not at short poll. Would you invest in a $xx share to port Aladdin 4D to OS4 (maybe Linux etc..)?


/shoe - just for fun

(edit) my bad..

/sheo

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Poster: Uncharted Date: 13-Aug-2004 3:35:33 IMHO the Realsoft port and Imagine are our best hopes for decent 3D software on OS 4.

As Imagine is still being developed,by an OS4 Beta tester? I believe, so hopefully will work on OS4

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well most games mods are custom maps. These are created in specialized editors for the games or game engines. But for new objects and characters ? LW, MAX and sometimes Cinema are used the most.

Correct about the game maps... they are usually generated with the games own map editors. And most of the games have a moddler as well. But to say that most of these 14 year old kids who are designing new characters are mostly using LW or MAX is assuming alot. Unless they are doing illegal downloads of such packages, the average 14 year old doesn't have the cash to spend on LW or such.

You may check out Milkshape 3D here.

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---I don't have an A1, and don't plan on buying one at the current price. I -------have a CyberStorm PPC 200MHz board in my A4000T, though had some problems ------with the whole PowerUP vs WarpOS PPC thing -- never really got to use the ------PPC much, and can't get a pre-release AmigaOS4 to try on it (Damn, how did I ---get so sc#$@ed by buying a +$1000.00 board that I can't use?)

The Pre-release cd is for AMIGA ONE only.

end of discussion.

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I must agree with several comments about Aladdin 4D not being a "showstopper" of an application.

LightWave is so popular Mayer reduced its price and in turn Lightwave did as well. (If memory serves this happened last year) Prices are amazing for these apps. Still high but impressive for what they can do.

But I have been playing with an amazing FREE 3D program for my PC called Anim8or See it Here

Anim8or can render and animate too. Wings3D is another popular Free 3D program but does not animate or render (at least the last time I looked)

Blender is also a free 3D app. but with a very nasty and very STEEP learning curve. Don't start with this, as I did, almost wrecked me! (Maybe it is just me....but Yikes!)

Milkshape looks great but is not free, about $25 US it seems

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What a very nice sum-up. It's very sad :/

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Poster: shoe Date: 12-Aug-2004 14:34:26 @Bobsonsirjonny, Yeh, oh that .. But that was from Atheist, and have you ever taken him seriously?! (No offence ) /shoe

Well, I dont know so much about him - but I've never been able to take Athieism seriously..

@ BobC


There is also a package called Animation Master http://www.hash.com/ - it is the animation industries best kept secret. Easily the best package for Character animation. Its poor at everything else - no particle stuff etc - but for character animation it is just perfect. Check out the examples - with this app you can breathe life to your puppets.

Im a 2D animator, not a CGI dude. But this is the app all my CGI animator buddies rave about. Its got character features that Maya cant even compete with. Pixar based some of their character animation tools (plugins) on this app!

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ExiE wrote: Quote: Herewegoagain wrote: And the idea is to update the application so that it meets more modern requirements, right??? Well so you need US $35,000.00 to get the source and how much you expect will be needed to get it uptodate? It will be HUGE amount of money and I have to say I can't imagine how to make something good in this one window view (sorry I am using LW for ages)

Hi ExiE,

I never said anything about competing with LW or Alias/Wavefront.

It's just that it's a cheap "value-added" component that can be added to the AOS disc.

At 5,000 microAmigaOnes, it's a US $7 enhancement. More microAmigaOnes sold, the less of an overhead cost it would be.

They wouldn't necessarily need to recompile it to PPC even, but I don't know. THAT would be an extra cost, though.

Imagine, someone buys an AmigaOne for the kids, there's a broswer and rudimentary WP, and paint prg (I assume). And then there's this 3d modeler there, too! What fun that'd be?


Like 3D modeling? Move up to a better offering!

It's a really nifty bit of fluff to throw into the mix.

Since we lost Arexx, over some really, really sad reason (whatever it was), get this, or pay, and get Arexx back.



AmigaOne! Pre-AOS4.0! Take me* to your leader!!!!


* Atheist!

P.S. ExiE, you must be rich, you have LW, have you bought an AmigaOne too?

@BobC

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But I have been playing with an amazing FREE 3D program for my PC called Anim8or See it Here

That looks like a nice package for free. I'll have to check it out.

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Milkshape looks great but is not free, about $25 US it seems

Right. Mikshape is pretty nice, but it's a shareware package. You can download and use it for 30 days trial for free though. It has the added benefit of supporting alot of game model formats, and $25 is a steal for such a package. Maybe we should just pay the author $35,000 to port that to AmigaOS4.

@ bobson:

2D animator? Very cool indeed. I just hack at it but its sooooo much fun. Love to see some of your stuff bobson.

I had forgotten about Animation Master Great package and far from the price of LightWave and Mayer but feature packed. but also far from free as well. I did spent some time looking at their web page (had some trouble looking at the intro vid ) . Good stuff!

Didn't Animation Master start on the Amiga many years ago, I seem to remember drooling over it?

@herewegoagain:

I was thinking along the same lines for Anim8or or now Milkshape as well, for less money of course as I'm sure you were.

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Yep Animation master did start out on the Amiga before migration to windows and other platforms. Its high end stuff for character animation at a price that is so much cheaper than anything else.

As for my stuff - I dont have a lot.. to be honest work kinda dried up ages ago for 2D people, (its much cheaper to pay some poor sod in a chinese sweat shop to act as a tweener and just leave the key frames to a handfull of ppl over here) and what little there is gets fought over to the point that I wouldnt get a look in. I will upload some stuff soon though.