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Re: EFIKA Available - 199 USD - 160 EUR Posted on 4-Nov-2006 15:55:32
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Right now you would need to add 100 USD since that blog is based on the EFIKA target price of 99 USD.
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That blog states that in 4 months the price will be the one I quoted, that's really all I need and care about.
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All small PSU's are pricy. Everything small is pricy, what did you think?
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Refer to the other PSU I told you about : costs less than the one you pointed me to, and is more powerful.
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And where are you going to put 3.5" drives and DVD's?! You have one 2.5" 44-pin IDE port and that's it. This is no desktop board for cheap 3.5" drives and even cheaper internal DL DVD-RW's.
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Didn't realize it's a 44 pin IDE. Even so, one could still connect a 3.5" drive to that one, with a bit of work. In any case, as far as I know any PATA connector will allow up to 2 devices attached to it, so why would I need an external DVD? _________________
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Re: EFIKA Available - 199 USD - 160 EUR Posted on 4-Nov-2006 15:56:40
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You have one 2.5" 44-pin IDE port and that's it. |
Like with the A1200, so I suppose it isn't a problem to connect a hardrive and DVD ?  _________________ Site admins are people too..pooff!
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Re: EFIKA Available - 199 USD - 160 EUR Posted on 4-Nov-2006 15:58:49
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| There's no mention of delivery costs on the site, as far as I can see, and checking out the cart brings me to the page where I need to enter my billing details, including the CC number, without mentioning any additional costs.
Does anyone know how much do they charge for shipment? _________________
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Re: EFIKA Available - 199 USD - 160 EUR Posted on 4-Nov-2006 16:13:24
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| If It would run OS4 i would buy one now, if morphOS ran on it i would buy one for $99 (£52) as for AROS i have some old PCs that can run that fine, i wouldnt bother with this.
Gensi seem to be the only company producing PPC hardware for a decent price, if Amiga inc ignore them there is little hope for OS4 as i see it, unless sam becomes availabe for less than $300 and gets the OS4 licence it requires that is. _________________
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Re: EFIKA Available - 199 USD - 160 EUR Posted on 4-Nov-2006 16:19:11
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IIRC it was about an additional sum of 60$ to 70$ when I got my peg2 board. It came in a FedEx Express box from Las Vegas and the customs declarations are signed by BB .
Though, asking BBRV directly might give a more acurate quote.
You could also apply for the efika porting bounty and maybe get the board for free? Or wait some time and get it form some european dealers?
ciao Last edited by mausle on 04-Nov-2006 at 04:20 PM.
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Re: EFIKA Available - 199 USD - 160 EUR Posted on 4-Nov-2006 16:26:57
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IIRC it was about an additional sum of 60$ to 70$ when I got my peg2 board. It came in a FedEx Express box from Las Vegas and the customs declarations are signed by BB .
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Cool, I'd get one Bill Buck's autograph for just 70, err, bucks! (There's a pun in there, or am I mistaken? )
Nah, that really puts me off the potential buyers list, then. Still too expensive for me to consider.
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You could also apply for the efika porting bounty and maybe get the board for free?
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As far as I know, the deadline to apply for that deal has passed, and I wouldn't be able to commit to any bounty at this point in time anyway.
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Or wait some time and get it form some european dealers?
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We'll see... as things stand, it's probably cheaper and more performing to just use qemu in order to play with AROS the way I described.  Last edited by falemagn on 04-Nov-2006 at 04:27 PM.
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Re: EFIKA Available - 199 USD - 160 EUR Posted on 4-Nov-2006 17:00:35
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(There's a pun in there, or am I mistaken? ) |
The one BB must hear quite often, so he's used to it .
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As far as I know, the deadline to apply for that deal has passed, |
Sorry, I was not clear on that. IIRC Randy once mentioned RV might pass a board to the one taking the bounty, though, he wasn't sure about that one.
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Re: EFIKA Available - 199 USD - 160 EUR Posted on 4-Nov-2006 17:13:37
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| If it shipped with 256 MB of ram and MorphOS I'd buy one today. _________________ Micro A1 866 Mhz and AmigaOS 4.1 PowerMac G4 1.4 Ghz and MorphOS 2.7
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Re: EFIKA Available - 199 USD - 160 EUR Posted on 4-Nov-2006 17:19:42
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| @falemagn
Arn't these boards made at DCE in Germany, would delivery not be cheaper in europe. It might be worth giving BBRV PM or mail on the subject of delivery.
With regard to free boards, the deal is closed but it mentions that they'll re-open it in the future. |
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Re: EFIKA Available - 199 USD - 160 EUR Posted on 4-Nov-2006 17:32:27
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Re: EFIKA Available - 199 USD - 160 EUR Posted on 4-Nov-2006 17:48:44
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| zzzzZZZzzZZZzzZZzzzzzzzSSSSKKKKKRRRGG!!! Wuzzat? Efika is for sale, but MorphOS still isn't officialy supported?
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Re: EFIKA Available - 199 USD - 160 EUR Posted on 4-Nov-2006 17:49:34
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I'm considering one just to experiment with it, play a bit with AROS on it so to make it compatible with MOS maybe, see how much I can trim linux so to make it totally transparent in case you want to run AROS on top of it... |
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Re: EFIKA Available - 199 USD - 160 EUR Posted on 4-Nov-2006 17:50:25
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>So no, it doesn't look like it's compatible with the mini-itx standard. I wonder what's the reason behind such a custom form factor... does it really serve to make the overall cost lower?
Didn't you read the report? It says the formfactor fits into 5 1/4" bay. |
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Re: EFIKA Available - 199 USD - 160 EUR Posted on 4-Nov-2006 17:53:36
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Well, the "if they make such a foolish decision, it will be *their* loss" statement was based on the *assumption* that they have an interest in getting their OS as widely spread as possible in order to get it in the hands of as many creative people as possible; people with ideas that potentially can lead to commercial applications (HW/OS/SW combos) where MorphOS will fit in and serve a purpose. The way I see it, is getting the OS as widely spread as possible at this stage is a prerequisite for any kind of future commercial opportunity. A user base, a developer base - a community! The bigger the better! You won't get anywhere by hiding it away in your chambers. The Efika is very small, quite cheap, low power computer that can serve as a building block for consumer devices as it is, or it can be refined further to become more specialized towards a specific purpose. But you have to couple the OS with the hardware and get it out to people.
But seeing some of the responses from "the MorphOS Team" certainly gives the impression that they are more than happy with keeping MorphOS at a hobby-stage, for their own recreation mostly, and that they have no commercial visions whatsoever, so the assumption might not be true, hence it could very well be that not releasing MorphOS for the Efika won't be any loss at all in *their* eyes ...
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As I see it, it will rather be the users loss and probably also Genesi's. |
The users (the community) will loose. But the real reason could very well be the latter; they want Genesi to loose, or at least they don't want them to get any *benefits*, at least not for free.
A rather short-sighted view IMHO. The only way that MorphOS could become a commercial success, is through OEM deals for some large volume applications, not boxed sales to the Amiga community. No, drown the ground in gasoline, and hope that a spark will ignite somewhere that will heat things up! Flood the creative communities with MorphOS (or OS4, same thing (in the context of this discussion), different name) on cheap, small hardware devices, and hope for the best! I mean, the OS is already running on the damn thing, what's there to loose? 
(However, I am *still* quite sure that MorphOS will become available for this hardware. There is a rumour that they are working towards a MorphOS 1.5 public release before christmas (or so). Maybe things will happen then? ) |
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Re: EFIKA Available - 199 USD - 160 EUR Posted on 4-Nov-2006 18:00:00
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>There is a rumour that they are working towards a MorphOS 1.5 public release before christmas (or so).
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Re: EFIKA Available - 199 USD - 160 EUR Posted on 4-Nov-2006 18:12:09
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| Falemagn: "as far as I know any PATA connector will allow up to 2 devices attached to it, so why would I need an external DVD?"
Sure, but you will lose all the benefits of low footprint. You will build some big desktop computer with those parts. You are better off with a Pegasos II. Really.
In case you didn't know, many of the Mini-ITX cases only accept Slim CD-ROM and 2.5" drives.. |
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Re: EFIKA Available - 199 USD - 160 EUR Posted on 4-Nov-2006 18:17:33
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Re: EFIKA Available - 199 USD - 160 EUR Posted on 4-Nov-2006 18:20:26
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Any idea why they didn't use an on-board GFX-chip? |
The design process for the Efika has not been a straight line. Many things have happened during the process. Here is a block diagram from an early design, incorporating an Altera Cyclone II FPGA:
 (Picture taken from here)
Later they thought of making a version with an XGI chip on board the motherboard, and a design that has *both* an XGI GPU *and* a Cyclone II FPGA!
What is being released now (I suppose?) is a slightly modified version of the original, basic design that was showed in public for the first time during the Freescale Technology Forum held in Orlando, Florida 20-23 June.
I don't know whether the FPGA version, or the FPGA+GPU versions are still in the pipeline, or if they are focusing on Custom SoC's instead?
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Having a huge XGI-board somewhat thwarts the idea of small dimensions and form factor. |
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Re: EFIKA Available - 199 USD - 160 EUR Posted on 4-Nov-2006 18:27:21
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I hope genesi can confirm which graphics chipset they will use for a possible up and coming on-board graphics version. |
It's the XGI V3XT they have been tinkering with. Read about it here:
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Re: EFIKA Available - 199 USD - 160 EUR Posted on 4-Nov-2006 18:34:50
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So no, it doesn't look like it's compatible with the mini-itx standard. I wonder what's the reason behind such a custom form factor... does it really serve to make the overall cost lower? |
Hmm, I remember reading about an "industrial" form factor of some kind on the moobunny many months ago, that I (at that time) figured would match the Efika. However, I don't remember its name. Maybe doesn't match after all, and maybe it was only in my head anyway ...  |
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