It works very well in my PSP too! Is very fast!

The amigaworld.net logo is very small but all is ok ( I used a 1.5 firmware PSP with the Tenchi web browser not the oficial 2.0 browser).

@Mason

Hmm, that DOES look interesting...

@all

I'll give it a try with my Nokia 7610...

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Just tried it on my Nokia 3230. Works fine :)

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Cool. Looks great on my iPaq.... and also it initially fooled the restrictions at work so that I could browse AW.net... but only breifly.

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Thank you everyone for the welcoming.
Here is AmigaWorld.net on the VGA x50v.

That's pretty awsome. Time to upgrade my cell phone I guess to something with a web browser. I'd love to be able to check the site anytime anywhere! Sweet!

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@Eugenia

Very nice

and a big to You here on AmigaWorld.net

Hope that You will visit us some more in the future

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Has anyone tried to look at this thread on a PDA (there are some very big images in here )?

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now that's gross!
hide that crap w*indo*z pda picture!
right in front of everyone,
there might be childrens looking at this site you know..

>hide that crap w*indo*z pda picture!

Windows Mobile is THE most stable mobile PDA OS today. PalmOS and Linux don't come close to it in stability (although PalmOS is a bit faster, as it's more lighter -- it does less). Symbian might be as stable though, but again, it's more primitive than Windows CE. I own device from all these 4 mobile OSes, Windows Mobile does the job best, IMHO with Symbian second. I know you are kinda joking, but it kinda rubs me the wrong way, because people think that WinCE or XP are as crap as Win95 was. They ain't.

@Eugenia

With all due respect I think Win Mobile is one of the worst Microsoft products ever - and I'm not going to claim that all their products are bad either. I find it absolutely unusable on a PIM device due to its sluggishnes, lack of elegance, downright braindead design (no proper quit in programs) and poor interface. It just screams "I wasn't really made for PDAs you know" at you. Don't even get me started on ActiveSync.

I do agree that stability is pretty good on it. On the other hand I've used PalmOS for 5+ years and I've seen fewer crashes there in that period than I did during the year or two I was messing around with Windows Mobile - actually trying to be productive. It's not that it crashes all the time, but nor is it totally stable. It's not quite as stable as w2k/XP on well supported hardware, but fairly close. Compared to Linux I can't really say that it's more stable. I installed Familiar on my iPaq and played around with it for a bit to see if it wanted to make me keep the machine. It was better than WM in many areas but worse in too many other areas. Stability wasn't one of them, though.

There are advantages to pocketpcs. They're relatively cheap, it's also quite easy to get them on wireless networks, there are lots of toy apps for them (for the geeks) and ... uhm. Can't think of any more really. I've been tempted to buy a newer model for wifi, but every time I remember how horrible the machine actually is and start looking for a top of the line Palm model instead. When I'm done looking at the price tag I go back to my current Tungsten.

Life for PDA-o-holics is tough these days unless you want to settle for less than awesome - the best you can get is fairly good and the larger share is horrid.

We can both agree that Symbian is pretty nice, though.

>I find it absolutely unusable on a PIM device due to its sluggishnes

May I take a guess: do you use heavy Today plugins? If yes, get rid of them. That's the main reason why a PocketPC might get sluggish. That, and the fact that you might have too many apps open.

> lack of elegance

That's an Apple thing, and Apple doesn't make PDAs anymore. PalmOS is not elegant either, with its terribly looking ugly fonts. At least PocketPCs support AA and they run a real operating system instead of the crappy PalmOS which has no real memory management and all apps are loaded in RAM. This is a bad OS design and Palmsource knew about it, this is why they bought Be, for its engineers (I am a friend of about 6-7 of them btw, we are going to parties quite often).

>downright braindead design (no proper quit in programs)

Funny you say this, because just today I was reading that blog entry from an MS engineer who said that this was a design decision. I don't agree with that decision either. This is why I use the mere 31KB, vBar. It closes apps by default when clicking on their X button, and it also displays memory and battery stats and task-switching. No reason for heavy Today plugins here!
As for PalmOS it does not support installing apps on the SD, you have to install them into the RAM. How's that for not closing down? Yes, there are hacks that let you install an app on the SD and then load it manually to the RAM, but this is hardly elegant or easy to use. It is a hack.

>and poor interface.

It ain't that bad actually. My only gripe is that you can't operate them with a single hand. You can with PalmOS.

>It just screams "I wasn't really made for PDAs you know" at you.

And you haven't even seen the 176x220 smartphones yet. They SUCK. If I was to give a rating to Q/VGA PocketPCs and their interface, it would be about 7/10. Smartphones, get a 2/10.

> Don't even get me started on ActiveSync.

I don't agree at all with this. ActiveSync is way better than the Palm thingie. It supports ALL PocketPCs (no matter how many you have, from different manufacturers -- this doesn't happen on the Palm app), and you can connect via the cradle and share the internet connection from your PC to the PDA (something that also lacks in the Palm app). ActiveSync is actually one of the BEST aspects of the whole experience.

I'm quite new to the PDA world, but here's my take on WM2003se.

What I like.

1. Familiar UI
2. Great Browser (if only deskop Internet Explorer was this good )
3. Excellent Office Suite
4. Excellent range of available software

What I dislike

1. No default task switcher (this can be added with 3rd party tools)
2. Occasionally slugish (though this was probably caused by wisbar)
3. No easy way to close programs (this can be added with 3rd party tools)
4. No easy way to reset (this can be added with 3rd party tools)
5. Connections Manager sometimes removes ISP/Work selection

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>2. Great Browser (if only deskop Internet Explorer was this good )

The desktop IE is much better than the mobile IE. PocketIE is based on IE 5.0. It sucks in reality and it has MANY security holes. But it's good enough for mobility, this is why we still use it. :P

>4. Excellent range of available software

18,000 apps compared to 28,000 PalmOS ones. Zaurus had 1.500 and BeOS 4,000 -- in comparison.

>4. No easy way to reset (this can be added with 3rd party tools)

This is weird. There should be a little hole that you put the stylus in and resets your phone. If not, then that's because this is a phone. ALL normal PPC PDAs have a reset hole.

>5. Connections Manager sometimes removes ISP/Work selection

I don't quite understand this...

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>2. Great Browser (if only deskop Internet Explorer was this good ) The desktop IE is much better than the mobile IE. PocketIE is based on IE 5.0. It sucks in reality and it has MANY security holes. But it's good enough for mobility, this is why we like it. :P

I ment for mobile, because its better at rendering html/xhtml/css than most microbrowers, except maybe opera, the "if only deskop Internet Explorer was this good" was a little bit of sarcasm.

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>4. Excellent range of available software 18,000 apps compared to 28,000 PalmOS ones. Zaurus had 2,000 and BeOS 4,000 -- in comparison.

OK got me there, but which has the best apps.

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>4. No easy way to reset (this can be added with 3rd party tools) This is weird. There should be a little hole that you put the stylus in and resets your phone. If not, then that's because this is a phone. ALL normal PPC PDAs have a reset hole.

I does have a little reset hole, but i said easy, try doing that in low light or after a few beers. Ive installed psShutXP that adds a little shutdown popup requester that resembles the XP shutdown prompt.

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>5. Connections Manager sometimes removes ISP/Work selection I quite don't understand this...

This is a little harder to explain, in setttings/connections/connections/network management i set 'programs that auto connect to the net' to 'My Work Network' and 'Programs that auto connect to a private network' to 'My Work Network' this is what works best for my wifi connection, but after a reset it always defauts 'programs that auto connect to the net' to 'My ISP'

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> but which has the best apps.

Windows Mobile API is more powerful, and allows for more memory allocation. Given a good developer -- like Resco.net -- Windows Mobile apps should be more powerful and robust. Test Resco's PalmOS ports of their file manager and image v iewer for example and you will see how bad is under PalmOS. Or even TCPMP.

>try doing that in low light or after a few beers

Stop drinking. It's bad for you.

here's one from my clie :) done with netfront 3.1 on os 5.
btw: adding a header to the page would be good.
http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A//pda.amigaworld.net/

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May I take a guess: do you use heavy Today plugins? If yes, get rid of them. That's the main reason why a PocketPC might get sluggish. That, and the fact that you might have too many apps open.

You may guess, but you guess wrong All I used was the menu extension from Compaq, that allowed you to quit programs quicker.

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That's an Apple thing, and Apple doesn't make PDAs anymore. PalmOS is not elegant either, with its terribly looking ugly fonts.

PalmOS is elegant in the sense that it's fast, light, responsive and is very much geared towards being for PIM. My old 22MHz Dragonball Palm was way faster at getting things done than a ten times faster PocketPC. That's what matters to me in a PDA.

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Funny you say this, because just today I was reading that blog entry from an MS engineer who said that this was a design decision.

I know it was a design decision. And whoever made that decision should be shot.

As for installing programs on SD cards... I have plenty of programs installed on the SD card on my Tungsten and I'm not using any hacks to do so. I have a couple of games, a web browser and the content heavy stuff (database, books etc). I know some programs refuse to run from the SD card for some reason, but most of them work just fine from the SD card. If that is because of a hack, then it's because it has been added to PalmOS itself. So no, you don't have to install all apps to ram. Besides I'd be in trouble if it were like that. My Palm has half the memory the PocketPC had, but it has more free memory at pretty much any given time...

As for ActiveSync... You know how older PocketPCs (and some new ones too!) lose *all* settings when they run out of power? (which they do even though they're just in standby like a Palm can be for months, whereas a PocketPC will run out of power in a matter of days). It is extremely annoying to restore a previous installation with ActiveSync, whereas you can pretty much move the entire contents of a Palm to a new Palm device with no extra effort.

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OK got me there, but which has the best apps.

One of the reasons why I sold my PocketPC was that there was nothing on it that was worth using compared to what I had on my Palm. Now I should probably make it clear that my Palm is mainly an organizer and a toy second. It has the best word processor (Wordsmith), Aeroplayer (mostly used before I got an iPod), Salling Clicker, the excellent HandyShopper (which has also been ported to Windows Mobile - you might want to check that out), the built-in PIM apps, UpIRC and a browser that uses a proxy to scale graphics to the device ahead of downloading (makes a big difference on a GPRS connection).

The only thing I sort of miss from PocketPC is Photogenics. On the other hand I don't really have anything to use it for any more (used it during development to see things on the actual device). Sure, having lots of emulators and movie players is fun. But only that. As for actual commercial/shareware the Palm scene seems to produce more "complete" software, whereas a lot of PocketPC software gives an extremely low quality shareware impression. When it comes to games the PocketPC scene shines though. Lots of impressive games.

i don't have any portable device. having said hat it is great we have an alternate way to view aw.net.

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