@olegil
Troika/etc would surely at least START a discussion about licensing, before spending a ton of money developing their hardware. I sure as hell would want to have some idea of what requirements Amiga Inc would have if I were doing a board. I hope that they haven't just been speaking to Hyperion, as their legal dispute with Amiga Inc may have distorted what they said Amiga Inc would say...

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Troika/etc would surely at least START a discussion about licensing, before spending a ton of money developing their hardware. I sure as hell would want to have some idea of what requirements Amiga Inc would have if I were doing a board.

Aug. 2005

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Aug. 2005?

What happened in Aug. 2005?

Oh well... all I know is that Big Bash is going to be one of the most interesting shows in years .

Cool!

I like the Geekport. Finally I can build a lot of stuff I have been wanting to build but never wanted to bother with an RS232 interface.

But 8 bits?? Just because it's a Geekport and many of you used to play with 8-bit computer doesn't justify a '2006 Geekport to have only 8 bits. I would have voted for 32 bits. The bits are there, why cripple them into just 8???

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Not surprising they don't have a license, since Amiga Inc wants the hardware to be finished before discussing a license, which means that Troika aren't at the right position to begin discussing license yet.

Careful olegil, you might accidently start an intelligent discussion around here regarding AInc licensing.

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I like the Geekport. Finally I can build a lot of stuff I have been wanting to build but never wanted to bother with an RS232 interface. But 8 bits?? Just because it's a Geekport and many of you used to play with 8-bit computer doesn't justify a '2006 Geekport to have only 8 bits. I would have voted for 32 bits. The bits are there, why cripple them into just 8???

Already answered by Ian Stedman in this thread (post #47):
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The geekport is only 8 bits wide as I ran out of pins on the XC9572XL device that implements it! As well as providing the decode logic, it also converts from the 2.5V PPC bus to a 3.3V/5V compatible user bus, for your homebrew devices. Doing this takes many of the 66 I/O pins on the chip. For ease of use, the geekport is brought out on 0.1" (2.54 mm) pitch pins to allow easy connections.

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Simple question to Troika: Do you have an AOS4.0-licence or not?

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McEwen "Currently today there is only one company with a contract that can ship AmigaOS 4 with their hardware, and that is Eyetech."

@hatschi
Good answer. I was going to give that myself.

@troika
OK, I am willing to believe that you started discussions with Amiga Inc in Aug 2005, but then how are we to interpret this from Bill McEwan:
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We are in current discussions with three companies... We are striving to get these deals complete... I will say that Troika is not one of them, contrary to what is rumbling out there.

This would seem to mean that your Aug 2005 discussions with Amiga Inc must have fallen through, or perhaps "only" stalled from your POV

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I think Bill McEwan's answered that one for us in his Q&A.

Troika has all the hallmarks of vapourware, many have simply burried their heads in the sand on this one.

Some are so desperate now for an Amiga renaissance that they will believe anything, the saying "clutching at straws" springs to mind.

@dan.hutch

So where have you burried your head? A horse comes to mind...

If Hyperion & GuruMeditation stands behind this project it sure as hell ain't no vapour!!!

This does however not mean they will ever release something for OS4. That's probably
up to Amiga Inc.
It seems Amiga Inc. wants OS4 now. If they want it really bad they could actually stop
any project from getting a licence until Hyperion gives in and sells them OS4 back.

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Simple question to Troika: Do you have an AOS4.0-licence or not?

They have not.

Eyetech have ...are they alive? Coder?
And other two will have, but they are not Troika..

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I think it is safe to say that Eyetech is out of the picture. Or they are working on something secret that no one knows about. But looking at the history I think they are not doing anything anymore regarding OS4 hardware.

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Troika has all the hallmarks of vapourware, many have simply burried their heads in the sand on this one.

Troika has to first finish it's reference board. Recall, the A1 SE was based from MAI’s existing reference motherboard.

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That's what they will be showing at BB4 I believe..

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A news item where I, personally, have quite a bit invested.

Please accept my heartfelt condolences.

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Not surprising they don't have a license, since Amiga Inc wants the hardware to be finished before discussing a license, which means that Troika aren't at the right position to begin discussing license yet.

That would make some sense if logic applied. Logic does not apply in the "new Amiga hardware" world. Eyetech had neither working hardware, control over development of 3rd party hardware, a sound business plan or remotely acceptable user support (I don't know about the funny "$500,000 annual revenue" bit), and they got the only existing licence. Not only that, but de facto they got a carte-blanche licence to sell whatever they can find to sell, currently existing or not, and they also got a say on what competitors, if any, that are supposed to get a licence. Despite that not a single one of the publicly presented prerequisites for getting a licence has been fulfilled, the Eyetech contract still stands, apparently.

Anyway, applying some logic now... ;) Disregarding that it doesn't make any business sense to enter the "new Amiga hardware market" at all, it makes even less sense to try to enter it and "develop" (or resell, whatever) any hardware unless one is absolutely certain that one will even be allowed to enter said "market"!

I'm afraid that the best, and probably only, chance for Troika or any other meaningless "Amiga hardware" outfit to sell anything to AmigaOS users is if they let Eyetech sell it.

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I'm fairly confident that once Troika proves this as a viable hardware solution, Bill ain't going to pass on a bit of money.

I don't see any reason for that confidence. The existence of the retarded licensing scheme per se means passing on more money than could be made if it instead were possible to actually sell AmigaOS, pointless "hardware partnerships" be damned. Even with the licensing scheme in place, AInc have passed on such money on several occasions, from vendors with actual existing and proven hardware instead of ever-changing pipe-dreams, bull$hit and expectations from bedroom consortia.

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That's what they will be showing at BB4 I believe..

Define "showing at BB4" i.e. is reference board a functional prototype or non-functional prototype?

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Seehund, was that necessary? (re Gurumeditation's situation)

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@hatschi: I know the interview. But I really want to hear, how Troika explains statements like "This is the first release which will be made in a limited quantity for (...) OS4 development. "

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