If M$ is now using the PPC, too, then it might become available faster than if there is only one major customer (=Apple).
This might be even good for the Amiga since we badly need the G5 in our hands soon to stay with the recent processors and GHz-speeds.
Some say: where is a speed, there is a need!

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I think Microsoft are trying to get hold of too many markets; mobile phones, servers, game consoles, pda's and of course continuing with their successful desktop market.

According to the article the XBox hasn't made a profit, and with Microsoft thinking of not making the XBox 2 backwardly compatible I have a feeling they will loose out yet again. Maybe the change in architecture (ie: ppc instead of x86) makes proper emulation of old games a little tricky.

Just where do Microsoft want to go today?

Roll on OS4!

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Cool, this could be a fine hardwarebase for AmigaOS5 :)

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I think Microsoft are trying to get hold of too many markets; mobile phones, servers, game consoles, pda's and of course continuing with their successful desktop market.

Yes they do own many markets but only two of them make real money: Windows server market and MS Office.

As for the rest forget it:

* nobody is buying PocketPC based phones... 92% are Symbian based even Palm is considering using Symbian in its future mobile phone PDAs.
* PDA agian a box full of non working non reliable rubbish, the market is owned by PALM OS devices. Only HP is selling pocket PC which in reality are Compaq devices and many do use them with other OSes like LINUX
* game console ...hahahah.. the onyl XBOX I saw was in a computer shop. All the kids and adults I know use PS2. Even in Japan PS1 outsells xbox.

as for the server market it is slowly but surely eaten up by LINUX, ever had an GameCube for 99US dollrs with Linux?
Even Windows desktop will be attacked by LINUX. 2004/5 nearly all the big players will sell Desktop PC with Linux instead of Windows. Even IBM brings out its own Blue Linux for Desktop PCs.

Just check the big cities in Europe: the all move away from Windows and do install Linux and OpenOffice on their PCs.

China is THE LINUX market. Mexico and Brazil, Danemark, Thailand publically announced that LINUX will be used instead of Windows.

In the FRANCE any administrative PC MUST use LINUX!

Even the Japanese ministary of energy changed to LINUX.

The FAT MONEY times are over for MS

Well I never bought any MS product nor do I have a PC with Windows at home.
I even have never visited MS homepage. So if it would be taken of the internet I wouldn't even notice it

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I read somewhere that it were special PPCs which in reality act as 12 CPUs.
But as these PPCs (which MS wants) will be finished in 2006 or even 2007 MS will lose the race against PS3 again.

PS3 will come by the end of 2004 it also has PPCs and ATI/SILICON GFX CPUs.
So MS must bring out the xbox2 before they lose the whole market.

But who really cares: nobody is using the xbox anyway, except some US computerfreaks.

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this gotta be ####! , m$ is basically saying here that they have made windows XP lite for PPC , if thats correct then why on earth havent they announced any PPC (the superior cpu) announcements for the operating system at all?

one thing, if this is true, then prices on ppc hardware will fall quite alot in a few months/year and x86 will stop beeing developed..


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But who really cares: nobody is using the xbox anyway

Well I know a few people who have an XBox. Personally I bought a PS2 as I felt it had a wider variety of games, better controllers, looked better, was compatible with old PS1 games and it had GT3!

But my brother will tell me I'm wrong in all cases!

As for the specs of the XBox II, I think IBM will benefit well as it sounds like they are producing the chips for all 3 next gen consoles. This could have an effect on the price and range of future PPC hardware, which would benefit our platform, but this is all a long way away!

I'm hoping that the following revision of OS4 is out by then (4.1 or 4.2) and that we have managed to gain some significant ground in rebuilding our platform. (keeping my fingers crossed).

Bean.

P.S. (GT4 - gimme gimme gimme!)

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Why they haven't announced a PPC Version of Windows ? Simple.
I do not think they have ANY interest of using PPC on a Desktop system.
I think there are three reasons for them to make the XBox 2 PPC-hardware (if
the information in that article about PPC-usage is really 100% accurate):

- As long as it is x86 people always say "Ah, it is not really a Gaming Console, it is
just a crippled down PC". If they now use "Exotic hardware" (Which from THEIR
standpointy the PPC is) they probably hope to get rid of that argument and sell
more consoles
- Sony and Nintendo also go for PPC
- To get a headstart before the Modders (especially to make all XBox-Hack software
incompatible...). They were really seriously pissed off with people using the XBox
(modded) as cheap DivX player, or as Linux-system (after all Microsoft does not
earn money with the hardware sales... they lose money on it probably, and earn
the money with the games...). If I remember right in Australia were a lawsuit
ended with "XBox-Modding is legal" they commented with "We will overthink
further XBox sales in Australia" or something like that (don't remember the
exact statement, but it was something along those lines...)

>Cool, this could be a fine hardwarebase for AmigaOS5 :)

Without a harddrive ??? (Okay, it is not yet 100% sure if they remove the hardware,
if PS3 has one they want to give one to the XBox 2 too appearently...).

Steffen

>PS3 will come by the end of 2004 it also has PPCs and ATI/SILICON GFX CPUs.
>So MS must bring out the xbox2 before they lose the whole market.

Are you sure about that date ? I seem to remember a 2005 date, but not sure about it,
didn't read anything about it for quite a while ... is there any "official" news about
PS3 release date at all ?

Steffen

@Steffen,

Yep, I think you are right. I don't think Sony will be rushing the release out this year.

Bean.

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@MagicSN

Sony didn't give any release date yet. I got this date from www.ppcnux.de site.
But according to HEISE (German homepage!!!!) the Toshiba/Sony CELL Chips will be tested first half 2005.

So we will see.

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So any chance of Sony or Nintendo being interested in a realtime multitasking OS for a settopbox based on one of the consoles? I think AOS would be ideal for that...

/ Me remembers all those ancient discussions about PPC not having a future...doh!!

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*****RANT*****
Well, whatever hardware it uses, I curse it. May it bring misery to anyone who tries to push it to success. Even if it ran at 500 THz, plugged directly into my brain, did my laundry, found true love for me and cost 1 euro, the only way I would touch with a ten feet pole would be with the intention of smashing it back to silicon hell where it belongs. Microsoft is too big, they have already more or less ruined the desktop market, and I will not support their efforts to take over any other markets. I'm supporting Playstation and Palm as hard as I can. May they inflict heavy losses on the beast of the technology sector which is Microsoft.
*****END OF RANT*****

As for the PS3, the last thing I heard was that Sony was pumping billions into it, in order to start production of the "Cell" chip in early 2005 (opposed to the initial plan of starting in late 2005).

I will be buying one.

Kay

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this gotta be ####! , m$ is basically saying here that they have made windows XP lite for PPC , if thats correct then why on earth havent they announced any PPC (the superior cpu) announcements for the operating system at all?

They tried with MS Windows NT 4.0, but they didn?t have dotNET type technology to tie their products together. Also, MS Windows CE 2.x was also available for the PowerPC. Both has Motorola?s support.

I guess they will try the 3rd time on PowerPC. The other failed non-X86 adventure was with SH4 processor with Sega?s Dreamcast** (probably due to Sony?s Playstation 1). **Sega?s Dreamcast is basically X-BOX Zero.

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Note that MS?s PocketPC division has yielded a small profit for MS. Separate from the X-BOX division.

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Only HP is selling pocket PC which in reality are Compaq devices and many do use them with other OSes like LINUX

Don't forget get Dell Corp, Acer and 'etc'. Note that Netcraft.com has some web server statistics? Use "operating systems windows linux" keyword for the
"Site Search" function.

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Putting my hatred for MS aside. I can't help wondering why they don't put a harddrive in and go for the PVR, Set top box and Game console markets in one massive blow. With that kind of processing power they should be able to compress multiple streams in realtime and do Kays laundry at the same time.

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>Without a harddrive ??? (Okay, it is not yet 100% sure if they remove the >hardware, if PS3 has one they want to give one to the XBox 2 too >appearently...).

Why not ?? Is a harddrive recommended ?
I expect that solid memory ( flashmem ) will be more and more intereresting.
It will be cheaper and more compact. I think you can boot AmigaOS from everywhere :) The future is the target .

Weren't MS looking at distributed storage at one point? i.e. where you didn't save documents locally, but they were stored on a "super-secure" (cough) repository in Redmond?

If they get this working, then they can get away without using a harddrive. I doubt that you'd even need memory cards...

Of course, the console would require a broadband connection - and a lot of trust from the users

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this is good for our future desktops...
ppc970FX prices will come down

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Have you all missed the inevidable evedence here " ibm producing PPC processors " it was known for many months xbox was going ppc another leak " some other pc cloan companies are working on ppc based pc comps i know of up to 5 who are doing this as we speek also the p#######ion is working on quad ppc proccessor !!!!