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Software News   Software News : AWeb Open Source project update
   posted by MikeB on 21-Sep-2004 17:44:36 (3290 reads)
There is a small news update written at the official AWeb Open Source project web site:

"An internal AmigaOS4 native release has been made of AWeb3.5 APL Beta. It doesn't work too well yet, but good speed has been reported on those with OS4 newer than the prerelease."
    

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Re: AWeb Open Source project update
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Good, good, good! Hopefully we'll get to see that when we have the update.

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Hi,

Any of the "older" versions that work with OS4? Is it fully working or limit demo also?

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What type of Speed increase is this? A program speed increase or a decoding speed increase? Either would of course be welcome

I know the programmers behind AWeb are probably extremely busy, but it would be interesting to see a development log or something so we can see the progress as its made. I'm particularly interested in their development of KHTML - I really hope this project is a success.

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Now this is good news


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What type of Speed increase is this? A program speed increase or a decoding speed increase? Either would of course be welcome


I think it's general program speed as well as decoding speed. Currently its not entirely clear because it's now able to keep up with fast internet connections.

We haven't tortured it yet (amigaworld.net is actually our reference torture site, because AWeb 3.4 performs like crap with this site. ), but it contains too little HTML and too much graphics to properly saturate the decoder.

I'm relaying this information from the developers and testers, because I don't have OS4 myself yet, so it may not be accurate...

I should mention that prerelease owners can update their clib2 installation to a much more optimized one, which seems to be causing the speed increases: http://sourceforge.net/projects/clib2

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I know the programmers behind AWeb are probably extremely busy, but it would be interesting to see a development log or something so we can see the progress as its made.


A log was proposed a long time ago, but there was little interest in it, because it takes time to maintain. Rather than doing that, a mailing list has now been created which lets you follow CVS commits (funny, this was actually part of my news item, but AW didn't mention it ). Read about that list here: http://aweb.sunsite.dk/contact.html

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I'm particularly interested in their development of KHTML - I really hope this project is a success.


This is unfortunately the big problem: Noone has yet taken up the task of doing the KHTML port, which is something I can't really understand, because of the immense need for a proper HTML engine on AmigaOS3/4, AROS and MorphOS. It would be a really exciting project to do, wouldn't it?

If I had the necessary skills, I would have tried to start a long time ago. Then again even the Win32 port of KHTML seems to have stopped dead, so it seems there is a much bigger focus on Gecko outside the KDE/Apple Safari realm.

I can only say for the 57th time that we would like to be contacted by individuals who have looked at the porting process or would like to participate in porting KHTML. Don't do it in hiding! The email address is henrik@aweb.sunsite.dk.

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I'm relaying this information from the developers and testers, because I don't have OS4 myself yet, so it may not be accurate...


hope fully you did not get fouled by the fact that www.amigaworld.net server moved to some where in Europa.

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This is unfortunately the big problem: Noone has yet taken up the task of doing the KHTML port, which is something I can't really understand, because of the immense need for a proper HTML engine on AmigaOS3/4, AROS and MorphOS. It would be a really exciting project to do, wouldn't it?


My experience whit large project is that you get stuck and get bored to maintain it after a while,

did you login to the www.amigaworld.net using AWEB? I never managed to do so whit AWeb lite.


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Any of the "older" versions that work with OS4?

I've been running the latest 68k beta of AWeb on OS4 beta for quite some time now and it is rock solid. Earlier 68k AWeb versions had problems running on my OS4 installation.

I'm still an AWeb fan (because of the stability) so I'm very interested in this OS4 native version. Not really a requirement though as the 68k version runs so blazingly fast on OS4 already but what the heck.


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I should mention that prerelease owners can update their clib2 installation to a much more optimized one, which seems to be causing the speed increases: http://sourceforge.net/projects/clib2

Oh yes, clib2 is quite a speed demon now. Up to par with newlib in common usage. Wait 'till you try the new OS4 native GCC 3.4.1 compiler's optimization as well. Sweeeeeet...


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hope fully you did not get fouled by the fact that www.amigaworld.net server moved to some where in Europa.


Jupiter's moon Europa or Europe?

Actually AW.net seems faster now. Most AWeb developers are Europeans.

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My experience whit large project is that you get stuck and get bored to maintain it after a while,


Yep, but KHTML hasn't even gotten out of the discussion phase yet. There were nice debates a while ago on how to do the port so most people would benefit, but they died out.

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did you login to the www.amigaworld.net using AWEB? I never managed to do so whit AWeb lite.


AFAIK AWeb's cookie/session handling code still sucks. A lot of this still needs fixing.

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why i dont use aweb as much as i should:

1. hate that cookie system
2. The gui is ackward and not very fun to use.


the reasons why i should use it:

1. os4 native
2. bookmark system is better than ib


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Great!

I use both AWEB and IB-Demo on AOS4


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Just tried the AWeb-PPC last night and it was pretty good. A bit touchy in spots but the speed is just incredible as you would expect. Gotta love the instant loading (<1 sec) as well.


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why i dont use aweb as much as i should:

2. The gui is ackward and not very fun to use.


Unfortunately the developers aren't really prioritizing the GUI highly right now. It's mostly HTML engine fixes and getting cross platform compilation compatibility in.

The URL bar is stupid and there's no way to quickly retrieve pages that have recently been accessed.

If that gets fixed, I think AWeb will be much more enjoyable to use, and if anyone wants to work on the GUI parts, that's no problem as it can be done in parallel to what's currently being done with the engine. There are enough CVS committers to handle more sources than what's currently being submitted.

I would like for AWeb to become easier to use without increasing system requirements.

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Oh yes, clib2 is quite a speed demon now. Up to par with newlib in common usage. Wait 'till you try the new OS4 native GCC 3.4.1 compiler's optimization as well. Sweeeeeet...


About the installation of the newer clib2... Where should I copy the files, to the gcc drawer, gcc-34 or both!?

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