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Software News   Software News : OS4 gets SATA (Serial ATA)
   posted by sg2 on 28-Oct-2004 22:08:24 (16202 reads)
Thanks to Max Tretene (Soft3) and Libero Moschella (AT), OS4 has got a new harddisk driver, which handles the Serial ATA PCI boards based on the Silicon Image SiI3112A chip.

A bit faster than parallel ATA, a bit cheaper than the SiI680.

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Re: OS4 gets SATA (Serial ATA IDE)
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OS4 Depot I assume?



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Well done Max and Libero

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This url from SI's site on HD compatibility might be of intrest to those that are interested in buying a card with one of theese.

For those to lazy to click the link I'll just leave a cut and paste on what it says here.

Quote:
Motherboards using the SiI3112A Serial ATA controller are often shipped with a SATA-IDE HD adapter card using Marvell bridge chips. Depending on the hard drive used, there are some configurations that need to be set properly or they may not work.

Ø When using the Marvell SATA-IDE adapter with a Maxtor ATA133 HD, there is a compatibility issue between the Maxtor drive and the Marvell bridge chip that does not allow it to operate at ATA133 when using SATA. You must make sure that the Marvell SATA-IDE adapter is configured for ATA100/UDMA5. If it is set for ATA133/UDMA6, the hard drive will not work.

Ø When using Western Digital Parallel (IDE) HDs for SATA through an adapter card, the WD drive must be set to single-drive configuration. Most hard drives have two settings: Master/single and slave. WD drives have three settings: Single, Master (dual drive) and Slave (dual drive). The master/slave configuration settings on the WD drive only work when used in Parallel ATA when two drives are sharing the same IDE channel. If a WD drive is configured as a master, the drive will wait for the slave HDD to complete its diagnostics before continuing. Since SATA only allows one drive per channel, setting the WD drive to ?Master? will cause a system hang because the drive will wait for a non-existent slave drive to respond. For more information on jumper settings for WD drives please visit the Western Digital website.


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Hello,

Sorry but i dont see the point.

If you want Parallel ATA (PATA), go for a Si680 and a PATA harddisk.

If you want Serial ATA (SATA), use a si3112 and a SATA harddisk.

What you are describing is using a SATA to PATA adapter, to hook a PATA harddisk to a SATA controller...

Plus, the problems mentioned involve the SATA to PATA adapter and the PATA harddisk, not the SATA controller itself.

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One could be interested in hooking up the old disk(PATA) in the A1 to it.

Anyway, just trying to be helpfull.

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Hello,

As of current UBoot, I dont think it can boot directly off Si3112, so you'll need your PATA disk hooked to either VIA or Si680 (or maybe use a CompactFlash to boot).

I was fearing that your post would be interpreted as 'the Si3112 has problems' (which it has not), thats the reason of my answer.

Be sure that the driver works nicely, I've hammered it to death before releasing the news.

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Posted on 28-Oct-2004 23:32:31
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Kool .... It all comes in handy.

Can we have Firewire drivers next please ?

 
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Bootable?

 
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Great guys! I know that you two are really great!!

My A1 is an example!


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@all experts here

I'm SCSI spoiled from my different Amigas.

So I never really followed the HD scene in the PC market, apart that there is IDE and ATA, I want to know what's this SATA and PATA. What is faster, better, cheaper, more expensive?
Should I continue with SCSI, as i do have a lot of SCSI devices? (I know SCSI PCI cards don't work on A1 yet, but I assume drivers will appear soon, as do for the different SiL controllers.)

Thx for explications and links.


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Serial ATA has most (all?) the advantages of SCSI, it really is a great standard. Tom's Hardware has a nice description of it, here are the highlights:

* 150 MByte/s maximum transfer rate (300/600 MByte/s envisioned for the future)
* Hot-plugging capability
* Two power saving modes: partial and slumber
* Overlapping (commands)
* Tagged command queueing
* Seven-wire data cable. Connectors measure just 8 mm wide.

Command queuing is the one feature SCSI has that IDE did not, that made SCSI so much better than IDE on multitasking systems. Overlapping commands means thtat the drives can run more than one command at the same time - I don't know if SCSI has this, but it really reduces the amount of time you're waiting while heads get repositioned, etc. Add to that the fact that all SATA drives are fairly new (meaning they all have onboard cache and fast spindles), it all adds up to a very nice way to store your data. Now all we need is for our favourite German twins to add support for this to UBoot, and the MicroAmigaOne has *very* little to envy from other SFF computers.

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@mbilla

It's nothing complicated or so, SATA is the new (future) std for harddrives (at least on x86 but probably for the whole market).

It stands for Serial ATA as opposed to Parallel ATA (which was normally referred to as just plain ATA) which replaced IDE a while back.

Whereas PATA would manage two drives on a chain (master and slave) SATA only connects one drive/cable.

This might sound like a move in the wrong direction but SATA cables are thin round cables and the contacts are about the size of USB. I've seen mb's with up to 8 connectors on them plus a couple of regular ATA as well so there is no shortage of connectors compared to today (or should that be yesterday?)

The speed atm is barely faster than PATA (150 contra 133 mbs) right now, but the advantages of a serial buss are much greater than the parallel and speeds are expected to double very soon and again soon after that.

Haven't heard of any optical drives with SATA yet though and the harddrives of today aren't really making use of the faster buss yet but I guess that will change soon.

Actually there are many that believe that SATA will kill SCSI once and for all!
We shall have to wait and see what the future brings.



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Beat me to it!

Just goes to show you shouldn't proofread your posts before you post!

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Excellent news! I've been hoping that OS4 would have SATA support before it's final release, now it does! And for those who have not used SATA drives, they are very nice to work with. For one, (as someone else mentioned) they are hot pluggable, which means you can attach another drive while your system is running wihout hurting anything.

Here is a comparison of the SATA cable VS. the IDE cable. Which one would you rather have in your uA1 case?



This will allow you to use the 10,000RPM Raptor SATA hard drives from Western Digital too. I think you will be happy with these over the standard IDE or even some SCSI drives. If we get some raid capability, then maybe we can see performance like these under OS4 (or maybe even better):

http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?id=690&cid=10&pg=1

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Does anyone know what chipsets this card uses? I am considering purchasing it for my A1.

With USB2, firewire, SATA & PATA built in it would be ideal. I am sure firewire drivers will be next.... I hope

If the chipset is right I can at least use half the features of this card it could be the ultimate expansion for an A1.

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I like the new cables and that they are hot swappable. But is that a bit dodgy on certain OS's that like to access the HD when it feel's like?

Also, as far as I know, it's all very well having theoretical transfer rate of 150MB, but isn't the PCI bus the card connects to only capable of 133MB? (Hence PCI-Express)


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@the guys involved

Thank you! Now we can have fast devices connected to the AmigaOne!


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Cool, eventually I could reduce the clutter in the A1 case .

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Great news! (sata drives are only £10 more expensive, and are 10% faster)
i'm still wondering when are we going to get some SCSI support. i know its
not 'faster' than UDMA6, but i have a lot of SCSI equipment laying idle &
i would like to find a use for them again

Is there any chance of some fiber-channel card support? i got a hankering
for a 2TB raid-array!


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have a look there : http://www.plextor.be/products/dvd_recorders/px-712sa.asp?choice=PX-712SA

moreover, I don't see tht point in having SATA 300 or 600... it's already 150MB/sec per peripheral...so anyone knows a peripheral which achieves more than 150MB/sec ???

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Modern standard, very good.

Maybe we should ask Stephane, Max and Libero to write drivers for DDR and AGPx8 Buying hardware would be easy

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